If you're banning GDKP, what alternative solution are you offering?

I’m fully aware that bumping your dumbass threads shines the spotlight on you as the self appointed representative of GDKPs. You’ve performed far better than I could have asked.

A tantrum is not feedback.

This doesn’t matter. None of the ideas presented for your position are convincing nor do they make any sense. If anything, the constant bumps to this thread hurt your side, as this thread just showcases many people ripping apart your “arguments”.

Well, I’m sure people are thankful for your service to the anti-GDKP cause, at least.

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Happy to bump this to the top to state i’m happy gdkp is going to be banned, only reflects negative gameplay. Next lets look at summon bots :stuck_out_tongue:

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Gold prices dropped for 2 days because of the GDKP ban announcement, then went right back to normal.

Bots farm gold for money. They don’t care why you buy and without GDKP there will still be a market for bots to farm herbs, fish, mine, etc. I have an entire thread on this. More people will start buying because they no longer have GDKP income. Bots farms don’t care as much as you think they do.

You’re the expert, after all.

no one cares about debating you Ben Shapiro. you’re cheap entertainment lol

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Tough when you lack any actual argument to bring to the table.

it’s fine. GDKP still banned

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This is a fair observation, I noticed the drop as well after someone brought it up the day of the announcement. What will be more telling here is what happens to those prices once the ban is in full effect.

Right now, as a professional arm chain economist, I would think the rise in the price after the drop could be due to demand to get those last few GDKP runs in, or from people unaffiliated who were taking advantage of the drop in price.

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You do know that the GDKP ban is not in effect yet right?

Same can be said for you. Your stance on GDKP’s is flimsy at best, and each point you have brought forward has SOUNDLY been shown to be untrue and baseless at best.

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Its just better for the game. It incentivized gold buying theres no real way to take away that aspect. Doesnt matter if it stops botting its still a step in the right direction. There really is zero reason for people to buy gold. Im one of the laziest players when it comes to farming. I have had literally zero gold issues in sod esp after hitting cap. I dont even play ah and consumes arent an issue. I seriously doubt people are going to go straight to swiping because gdkp is gone lol.

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Blizzard and players wanting to stupidity ban GDKP with no alternative introduced fail to realize why GDKP was performed in the first place. I will spell it out for the forum of intellect impaired.

Players want a generally valuable currency they can trade with each other for gear in raids. In the past, guilds used DKP for this, which can do the role, but the problem is that it is player controlled. It can be printed/stolen/deleted/whatever, and it is ONLY useful to the 1 guild managing it. Outside that guild, whatever points you have are meaningless. You can’t take them from raid to raid or guild to guild. Even if all guilds/raids run DKP, they all run their own separate point counters. You can’t carry any from guild A to guild B. Remember when I said “GENERALLY VALUABLE CURRENCY?” DKP isn’t it.

Players eventually realized the game already has a GENERALLY VALUABLE CURRENCY. It’s called gold. Everyone uses it, and no one (excluding TOS violators) can abuse it. If you simply use gold, that’s a currency you can take to ANY guild/raid. It thus effectively killed and replaced DKP.

It didn’t have to be this way. Blizzard could have created and given players a tradable token to use, rather than gold. If you look at the bosses which already drop tokens (frost emblems in wrath for example), Blizzard could have simply made those tradable. They can be exchanged for gear on vendors, including things which can then be sold for gold (saronite). This means the tokens could have been used instead of gold. But Blizzard would not make any token tradable, keeping players stuck with gold as their only tradable currency.

I should point out that a token based economy would also be resistant to inflation and the damage done by rampant botting. Botters can farm gold. They cannot farm boss drop tokens. Even if they manage to somehow kill bosses with a 10m/25m bot raid, they’re still hurt by the weekly reset timers. In other words, tokens would take much longer to decline in value where as gold plummets quickly after release. All Blizzard had to do was make the boss drop tokens tradable. This has the added benefit of letting you use tokens from your main to get vendor gear for your alts.

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There are alternatives. It isn’t blizzards job to create other systems just because you choose to dislike all but the one.

:axe:

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gold buyer buys stack of gold

gold buyer uses gold to buy a bunch of tokens

gold buyer attends run and spends those tokens

attendees of the run sell their spare tokens (which they now have more of due to the gold buyer adding more to the pool than otherwise would have been in it)

and just like that we are in the exact same situation.

that was a really well though out and hard to debunk argument. 10/10

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this is actually 100% false as I have spoken to a higher up via ticket+email who very much so stated that a player will NEVER be suspended or actioned due to trade from another real player in instanced zones. You will only be actioned if trading an obvious gold seller or accepting their mail

You were lied to or are lying. Plenty of evidence in the CS forums of this happening. Do you have a name of the person you claim said this or a post/image to reference?

While this will catch you an action, this is not the sole way of being actioned for interacting with illicit gold.

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Roger that. I don’t need to prove anything and its completely up to you to believe me or not. Either way it won’t make a difference

If you believe you are correct, this type of talk invalidates that to others.

Nope.

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