I ran GDKPs when I didn’t need any gear as a way to earn gold in TBC. That’s how I paid all my epic flying mounts. It was the best gold/hour you could do if you could carry a group.
And that’s actually part of the problem… we all hopes for good drops to milk the whales. It was rather evident those people who bid insane amount of gold on glaives or trinkets didn’t farm it themselves.
Indeed in GDKPs you don’t have people with connection problems or “having to go”, and you usually had decent runs…
It’s the closest pug experience I’ve had since Open Raid because people are accountable and won’t be reinvited if terrible just like the feedback system of open raid.
But the problem is not the loot system, it’s the lack of bans on gold buyers.
The way to fix this would probably a currency only obtainable from the raid like justice points that would be tradable only to people you have raided with… idk. Beside making the game self-found there isn’t much solution to this.
Have you really never seen advertisements asking for a geared tank offering a tip?
GDKPs nearly always offered tank bonus, ontop of performance/consume based bonuses.
As a highly performing tank you can often take home 1.2 - 1.5x the ‘normal’ split, you can sometimes negotiate an additional amount.
tank/healer on a server with a tank or healer shortage is the one situation you can sometimes pull that off, but acting like that is the same as expecting a gdkp payout after a raid is just stupid.
one is a direct payment for a service that is legitimate, the other is a basically a cut for being willing to wash RMT/gold buying
I don’t see how that is at all relevant to the point of being a tank mercenary to earn gold by tanking raids, you typically will be near/full bis so you aren’t taking items anyway. You are only there to get paid for your tanking services, loot system doesn’t matter to the service provider.
IMO the ban is already working, it’s an experiment and an experimental server that’s forcing all of you to work for free to come up with solutions for something that honesty no matter what replacement they could have given, you would have still complained… so keep getting mad and working for free to make my game better thanks
i mean yes, the main problem here is the bots/rmt at root not the gdkp’s, but blizz has proven to be unwilling to do what it would take to deal with that problem (permabans for buyers) so we get a crap half measure solution.
that said, banning gdkps will still have a massive impact on the amount of botting/rmt happening, so im all for it
please continue posting about it though, salty is my favorite flavor of RMT enjoyer
It’s sad that almost every reply from anti-gdkp folk is laced with this accusation that everyone is a gold buyer. It’s bad faith discussion and just overall rude as hell.
I don’t buy gold. I want botting and RMT to be removed from the game, and for offenders to be more seriously punished, just as much as you do. I’ve enjoyed GDKP as a loot system for it’s various benefits for years now without ever breaking TOS.
even if you didnt buy yourself, chances are almost 100% someone in the groups you were in did. youre just as guilty of benefitting from RMT as a buyer.
This dumb argument is constantly brought up, it applies to every system that RMT’d gold touches such as the auction house. If you’ve bought mats or expensive BOEs from the AH, you have touched botted gold.
It’s circulated in the economy that everyone touches.
This guilty by association point is pearl-clutching bad faith discussion and nothing more.
So if your schedule prevents you from finding time to raid how do you find time to farm all that gold? Somehow all the people defending GDKP sound like they RMT somewhere along the way.
yes, RMT’d botted gold hitting the AH is also a problem.
That being a problem doesnt mean blizz should just ignore the large and obvious driver of RMT that is the GDKP system.
Denying that it happens is beyond stupid unless you’re claiming the insane prices for items on era are just the result of the entire server spending 100% of their time doing DM jump runs, and the price of gold fell by 50% when the gdkp ban was announced for no reason at all.
We circle back to the discussion of removing player agency in the name of making it easier to enforce the TOS, it’s not a good thing.
Yes, GDKP is a contributing factor towards RMT (along with many other game systems, player driven or otherwise). Removing a beloved-by-many player behaviour because blizzard have failed at detecting and enforcing bans against cheaters is overall a net loss for the game.
We should be concerned about what other emergent player behaviour is going to be restricted in the name of saving some moderation expenses at blizz HQ.
Regarding the RMT price drop, I think many people have missed another very important announcement that is coming with P2: brand new, more advanced and effective bot detection methods.
In my opinion, this is the main driver behind the price drop. GDKP removes some demand but more advanced detection methods directly threatens the botters/sellers generation and stockpile of gold, it has triggered a panic sell of reserves.
It’s unfortunate (or deliberate???) that blizzard decided to drop both of these major changes at the same time, as now people like you and many others will reference these kinds of price fluxations as validation for the ban, without considering any other factors.
SoD is unique due to the small raid sizes and level caps.
GDKP is at it’s best, and in most demand, for larger raid sizes and end game content. If it’s not re-added in time for 40mans we’re going to see a weird toxic meta of hard ressing and gatekeeping that would normally not exist due to the ‘relief valve’ of GDKP for higher performing / demanding players.
