If you're banning GDKP, what alternative solution are you offering?

[Radigar-penance-au]

@Bergelmir-lone-wolf

Only problems I’ve ever had in a GDKP are gdkp haters that dont listen and think my raid is ms > os. Because GDKP solves loot drama issues, why is that unbelievable?

Because loot drama is not the only way people can be awful and if you interact with enough people, you will always find some awful ones.

[Bergelmir-lone-wolf]

@Xurf-grobbulus

i view removal of a “pay to win” system in an mmorpg to be only a net benefit

Pay to win is already against the rules. Enforce the rules. Gdkp is not pay to win. I dont pay anything but my subscription. Next.

[Bergelmir-lone-wolf]

@Renauldo-crusader-strike

Has it ever occurred to any of you that the relentless pursuit of the path of least resistance is simply antithetical to the classic WoW experience that the SoD devs are trying to provide this season?

What does this have to do with gdkp? Are you saying the toxic behavior that comes with ms>os is healthy for the game? Not sure the point here. Were talking about loot distribution mate.

[Baju-bigglesworth]

@Bergelmir-fairbanks

If you’re looking forward to a world where BIS items are all HR’ed and/or bartered away in every single raid then enjoy what’s coming.

Cry harder.

[Radigar-penance-au]

@Bergelmir-lone-wolf

I have quite a successful guild and lots of relationships. We run GDKP because it is a better loot system for all the reasons in the OP.

If you had a good guild, then you wouldn’t have any of the problems that you outlined in the OP. All of those problems are the result of toxic players and toxic attitudes. What you mean to say is that you have a festering cesspool of toxicity for community and so you think this is the best loot system around because it works for toxic players.

[Bergelmir-lone-wolf]

@Renauldo-crusader-strike

The game isn’t about getting what you want every time, it’s about having fun on the way

I dont get what I want every time. I lose bids constantly. Have you evee run gdkp?

[Bergelmir-lone-wolf]

@Haavi-barthilas

Sure they do, they are talking about how in GDKPs you don’t have people needing loot they don’t want, ninja’ing for a friend, people being denied loot

That’s correct

[Baju-bigglesworth]

@Sa-chaos-bolt

And the players that now need to farm, are now incentived to buy gold since they cannot carry GDKPs for quick gold anymore and farming in vanilla is boring af for many gamers.

No, they wont. Do you have any idea how much the potion market is going to drop? Prices will drop, no doubt.

[Bergelmir-lone-wolf]

@Haavi-barthilas

If you are playing in a functioning guild of respectable people there is absolutely no reason you need to add capitalism to your guild runs like OP said they have, the only reason to do so is because you are in a dysfunctional environment.
Hence “personal problem”.

My post is about both pugs and guild runs, give it a read.

On the topic of guilds, I guarantee you that your guild suffers from a number of the problems I’ve outlined, it is baked into loot council and ms>os. If you dont see it maybe its how others view you?

For example, who are you going to give a tanking item that your tanks don’t need to? The dps warrior who might tank or the rogue that thinks tank spec sounds interesting? Multiply that problem times every loot decision. Are you honestly going to claim you have no disagreements? Didn’t think so.

[Fisty-westfall]

“If you are putting out a roaring, raging fire, what alternative solutions are you offering?”

“If you’re curing a cancer, what are you replacing it with?”

“You cleaned the poop off of my clothes, but you aren’t putting something else there?”

[Bergelmir-lone-wolf]

@Haavi-barthilas

Not to even address the obvious glaring omission of issues in OPs statement ignoring things like inequality of player purchasing power.

It’s always the “haves” that push capitalist systems not the “have nots”

This is an entitled statement.

Welcome to real life. You have all the same opportunities I do, including running gdkp so that you earn more gold. You also dont have to participate in gdkp at all. The world is your oyster!

[Radigar-penance-au]

@Hoovesnhealz-benediction

The problem is you’re actually playing the game while everyone else is complaining on the forums. Blizzard devs aren’t going to get your opinion because you’re not literally crying about it every minute of the day. Now they’ve made their decision, not based on what people are actually doing, but what people are complaining about so it’s too late. You’re just going to get flamed by the cry babies.

He has spent the last 24 hours wailing, gnashing his teeth, and throwing a fit on the forums about this. He’s the very definition of crying about it every minute of the day.

[Miyukin-pagle]

Your guess is wrong, and all it tells me is the kind of people YOU raid with.

Don’t surround yourself with terrible people and you will be able to have a loot system that does not benefit gold buyers.

[Prosurfer-benediction]

You cant just leave all the good of gdkps without and think people have the self control to not use the bad

There is no alternative to good gdkps…
Human life has no self control
Individual sure but this isn’t a solo game

Gear distribution has been done even before gdkps and somehow (I know a shock) is still fine

Just like gdkps you will have a bad experience

Quit acting like it was god gift to the world
It’s obviously a bigger issue than what it looked like

[Bergelmir-lone-wolf]

@Haavi-barthilas

Giving the item to the wealthiest player doesn’t fix all problems either.
You think people aren’t going to be as annoyed that “xxhuntlordxx” wins all the drops just because they bought some gold?

Great, you dont have to run gdkp if you dont like it. Doesnt mean the problems im highlighting with rolls and loot council dont exist. GDKP has flaws, we’ve established that. Give the OP a read.

[Belshaman-grobbulus]

If someone wins an item over me in a SR situation am I now banned from offering them gold to trade it me instead?

I’ve had this happen multiple times in retail, Classic-Vanilla, TBC Classic, Wrath Classic and SOD. Someone paid me 25g to trade them set boots that I won in a MS > OS + 1 run, will that now be banned?

I think people should get some clarification other than “LOL GDKP Banned”

[Bergelmir-lone-wolf]

@Renauldo-crusader-strike

The idea that gdkp players will flock to RMT when the payouts dry up is pretty telling.
‘Not enough time to play’ has never been a valid excuse to break the terms of service, and these people should be removed from the game if they cannot play by the same rules as everyone else.
If you ask me, you simply shouldn’t need incentives to keep playing when the server is barely 2 months old.

No one is advocating for RMT. The point that was made is that casual GDKP players that never before considered RMT will be faced with that decision when they no longer have gold income from GDKP a d cant afford flasks.

Ironically creating a RMT market that didnt exist before.

[Bergelmir-lone-wolf]

@Objuanjbroni-wild-growth

So thats why nobody here knows who you are, cause nobody cares.

Nice to meet you, got anything to contribute? Just personal attacks?

[Radigar-penance-au]

I can’t get over the fact that you have bragged so much about your great guild while describing a list of toxic behaviors you supposedly “solved” by using GDKP.

If you have to resort to GDKP to prevent those kinds of awful, toxic behaviors in your guild, then your guild is full of the worst kind of toxic players.

This entire thread comes down to you surrounding yourself with the kind of people who are so selfish, toxic, and greedy that they have to be incentivized to do literally anything that might actually help someone else and then claiming that GDKP is the only solution. Sorry bro, the solution is to not surround yourself with a guild full of people that need GDKP to function without turning into a mob of toxicity.

[Bergelmir-lone-wolf]

@Shadows-grobbulus

Even if you personally didn’t, your raids were full of people who did. Thus you still benefited from RMT and were part of the problem.

You buy bot farmed materials from the AH and put gold in the pockets of botters. Yout support RMT. Ban the AH!!