Because it’s angels and demons in outer space.
I disagree that BC is more refined. Warriors really struggled for energy. My guildmaster at the time pleaded with Blizzard to convert his warrior to paladin!
But, the expansion brought in two new races to play. Female draenei and blood elves soared in numbers.
Plus, the instances and raids were challenging for players who had become jaded with Vanilla.
I think it’s important to note that even though Blizzard has always assumed that after a “honeymoon period”, population numbers would fall drastically for Classic WoW after the novelty wore off, they still thought the project was important enough to move forward w/.
Your 40 man raid group? It won’t last forever. Blizzard doesn’t intend for it to. Some people will stay who love vanilla WoW and want to do the same thing forever; others will leave, and that is perfectly fine. That is completely expected.
TBC servers coming out doesn’t change that original intention, all it does is entice the even larger number of people who played during TBC to either return or continue paying a sub after the vanilla novelty has worn off.
The people who would have stayed in Classic will stay regardless. Those are the outspoken people who hated TBC and everything it brought along w/ it and everything afterward. Classic is for them and it’s not going anywhere.
So this “split playerbase” issue seems like a non-issue, because outside of the diehard vanilla fans, those players would all have eventually quit anyway.
And that was always the idea.
Here I’ll give you an example of why it’s a bad thing and why it doesn’t work.
“Hey I think we should open up a tbc server that’s exactly like tbc, except I think we shouldn’t have flying”
This is cherrypicking specific things that only you would personally like and it’s a terrible philosophy when trying to make something that is suppose to be recreating a version of the game.
People who say classic+ should stay in the spirit of vanilla, but then add in their cherrypicked features they think should work with it. It doesn’t work. Maybe you think it should not hve any better gear, while another person think it should have class balances that are vanilla like, maybe someone thinks there should be a new rep vendor that’s vanilla like. At the end of the day it is no longer ‘classic+ but in the spirit of vanilla’.
This is what I mean about having your cake and eating it too. You either want classic+ in the spirit of vanilla as a whole new separate game from classic, or you want to change vanillas gameplay completely. There’s no in between.
And whether you believe this or not, you are forcing a pretty big change on classic as a whole. Maybe theres a person who 100% doesn’t want to participate in anything new and only wants classic, but now his guild is only running this content. Now he has to find a different guild or something. I’m not saying the majority of people will do this but this is forcing a pretty big change on people similar to what forcing tbc on players would do, albeit to a lesser extent, but it’s the same thing as saying ‘well just don’t buy tbc and just continue to raid your raid’.
It could, sure, we could go ahead and add new content and I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to it. But it just doesn’t make as much sense as tbc. Classic + would be a massive undertaking for blizzard. Not just because content is hard to add. But because they would have to be adding this content EXTREMELY meticulously as to not change the ‘feel’ of classic. If they do something too much to make waves, people will quit out of rage. If they do something too little, people will leave out of boredom.
Tbc option fits the majority of people’s needs. If you want new content, go to tbc. If you only want classic, stay in classic. Classic + is way too much of an unknown, also if blizzard did decide to go this route then they REALLY have to worry about things like balancing issues or meta changes or other complaints of people saying they ruined the vanilla feel.
If they make a tier set that allows druids to be better boomkins, what are they going to do if raids start being packed with boomkins? Do they balance them to be bad? Balance them to be better? Leave it as is? Do they just have the new gear be the exact same stats as a different tier set?
Adding new content with no new rewards just doesn’t make sense.
This is a really really really bad comparison my dude, sorry. FPS players generally don’t really take too kindly to new maps as a whole. Christ how long has CS:GO players played the same exact maps. I know some people who ONLY play dust 2 and that’s it. MMO’s are completely different. There should be NO worries about ‘fracturing the community’. Give people the option to play what they want. If one version is more popular then let it be more popular. Forcing someone onto a version of the game is idiotic when there is a known MASSIVE population you know that would play a different version of it.
“Hey man I think I would like to play TBC that would be awesome”
“NO YOU ARE STAYING ON CLASSIC WE CAN’T LOSE ANYMORE PEOPLE”
“Well I’m done with vanilla now…I’m just going to quit…”
“NO YOU’RE STAYIN ON VANILLA”.
Come on dude… drop the fracturing community excuse it makes no sense. If vanilla is meant to have a strong community then it will have it’s dedicated community. TBC will also have it’s dedicated community. You don’t need 2 million people on an MMO to make it the MMO for you.
Yeah and that impact was an INCREASE in sub numbers because people came back to a version of the game they wanted. If BfA had 2 million subs, and then classic got released and BfA now had 1.5mil and classic has 1 mil, blizzard isn’t going to look at this as “HOLY F WE LOST .5 MIL BFA PLAYERS”. They gained .5 mil subs and that’s just money in the pocket (these numbers are clearly made up).
There are without a shadow of a doubt players who will quit classic or who have never started playing classic who would come back for TBC. TBC was considered by a lot of people to be the best version of WoW. Some people dislike the clunkyness of it (not me personally) and they would love to come back for tbc.
This is 100% going to happen with or without TBC. This is 100% going to happen with the Classic+ idea you are pushing. This is going. to. happen. with or without TBC. Classic servers will eventually have to be merged or have forced server xfers to consolidate people. This is a completely separate issue.
The people who would leave for TBC are more than likely people who would have just left classic anyway out of boredom. There is no getting around it. The only thing TBC is going to do is keep their sub rolling for much much longer. Classic has it’s community, and they will stay, you shouldn’t try to force people to stay on classic forever out of fear of people losing raid spots. This is how you just lose all your subs together.
Like I said above, this is not going to be because of TBC coming out. If someone is done with classic, then they are just done with classic. If they want to play both, then they will play both. I’m curious how you think a TBC server is going to have all these impacts on raid rosters, but adding your classic + idea won’t do the exact same thing. That’s being extremely disingenuous.
OK, cool. Thanks.
I’d prefer added content with horizontal progression capped at L60.
So, no reason to not follow through all the way down that road to BFA and beyond. I mean, aside from the fact that many people do not want that.
There is plenty of reasons and I find it absolutely hilarious when people use this logic. There are certain expansions with a MASSIVE fan base and something that would warrant a rerelease because of how popular it is. I think it’s pretty safe to say anything beyond cata would flop, obviously.
You are missing the point of my response. The OP expressing his goony belief that
there is no reason blizzard should not just relaunch the tbc expansion on the classic wow servers
There is a very real reason why TBC should not simply be slapped onto classic servers.
Well I do agree that it shouldn’t just be forced onto players, you should have used a different example than the ‘all the way to BfA’ one because we all know it would never get past wotlk if this were the case.
Even though I personally wouldn’t care if they forced TBC on classic, as I think TBC is the best version of WoW, I also don’t think they should do this because I would be pretty upset if they forced me off TBC to go to WotLK.
If they did this I would unsub immediately, all this classic+/wrath/TBC either gets they own servers or I leave and I take my money with me, I have asked thsi question several times and have not got an answer why do you want to move classic over to tbc or classic + are you scared to have it on its own …you afraid it wont be able to compete with classic side by side?? if they release any of these things and force classic over to them I will move on, I am not afraid of them making servers for them I will not play them but I have no problem with them existing …why do you have a problem with classic existing?
Not really. The OP thinks TC is the best XPack. Others may look at Pandas that way, while even others may think that BFA is the best the game has ever been.
I think most would stick with classic:
https://strawpoll.com/66c89g51
yeah I think that is why they want to force classic over to them becasue they scared that no one will want to go play with them, so they feel they have to force us over to them.
But at the very least he has a point in that TBC has a massive backing. Anything after that…not so much.
And classic, which has a larger backing, would be ruined by it.
Uhh after classic has been out for awhile I don’t think anyone would be worried that a TBC server would have too few of players LOL. I mean be realistic here…the majority of players would move on over to TBC.
I’m not saying ALL and I’m not saying classic vanilla would die as there is obviously a massive community for that. But to suggest that we would keep numbers 6 months post nax to right now…that’s just being delusional.
Once again, I’m not advocating for the server to be forced to TBC. I’m strictly calling out the assumption that anything post WotLK has a massive backing.
they why so many advocating for forcing classic servers over to tbc rather then having tbc standalone server?? sounds to me like they scared.
So many? I’m sorry did you just read like 2-3 people say this and basing your opinion off of that? Come on dude… the majority of people would go for a standalone.
like 2 or 3 every day I have been seeing people talking about this since before classic launch.
And I hope you get them…I wont play them but I have no problem with them existing.
classic+ would not be any content from TBC…
if they did a classic+… which is next to a ZERO chance… it would have to be new content on the normal main continents… areas of the map that were never flushed out…
I can almost guarantee that they will do TBC, but on different servers so you have the choice to xfer, or start over
While I don’t think it “sucked”. I wasn’t wow’d (so to speak) by it. It was ok. I was kinda disappointed that they didn’t expand on the original world. It was just kinda chucked in the trash in favor new and shiny.
I guess that was what ppl wanted back then. I also never really posted or voiced my opinion about the game back then either. So it’s kinda of my fault.