Your definition of “within reason” so far just turns all the PvP Shamans into Elemental Shamans.
Melee shamans without any defensives are just victims, and Melee Shamans with a shield might as well be AFK.
Elemental Shaman with Tank defensives and the elemental goodness they already had + Lava Burst?
That’s what it’ll turn into.
Your “elegant” solution is taking a nuke to the melee spec.
it touches nothing other than way of earth which is a clear outlier.
i pvp plenty and kill and am killed in pvp . im not broken one way or the other.
relying on a crutch to even pvp is just that, a crutch.
i am plenty successful in pvp without that crutch.
but please have it your way , lets do a damage nerf when using woe and a threat buff .
it still doesnt really fully solve the problem of being an always on full resilence set with no cooldown and do very good damage at the same time.
they would have to nerf damage done by 30%+ to do so and would be even more of a chore to play .
i suggest learning to pvp without the crutch before they take it away anyways.
It doesn’t touch way of earth for elementals.
You already let that one out of the bag…
(And that’s not even including wPvP where you can’t hide in the crowd from being deleted.
You know why gimps need crutches, right?
(No defensives, No stealth, no charge, no teleport, no stuns, etc…)
When you hide in a crowd.
I’d be curious to see how your SR+WF handles getting melted by a Shadow priest before you can get to them.
Considering mine also comes with limiting RB to one hand (a 30% AP loss) and further reducing damage done by 10-15% the damage goes down to considerably.
Says the person who “does okay” when they lean on the mob in BGs.
Take video of you PvPing without hiding amongst friends…Something like open world.
Post the results. (And not just the highlight success reel.)
ive done it plenty of times and have been successful and unsuccessful half and half maybe.
if they start at range and fully unload i dont think any class other than another priest using dispersion or a pally using bubble can even get to them in time.
priests are broken though i agree.
i dont hide in a crowd most of the time .
i solo stv quite a few times . i avg about 400 coins or so. sometimes more sometimes less.
i do quite well in ab though against real tough opposition that knows how to cc and burst at range i do less so but then again so does most players facing that.
in world pvp i win some i lose some.
im not the best player ever and im not the worst.
im avg.
all this without leaning on a clear crutch .
but you can say what you want about me and all that personally and dream up all sorts of things about me, but im not the one using the crutch.
and no i dont have the software or the hardware or disk space to record videos of me pvping nor do i even want to to try and prove to you anything at all.
take that for what you want. i dont care.
Edit to add:
you would have a point about the lack of defensives and lack of gap closer if you were talking about high skill level high end pvp.
it is true.
but most of wow pvp is not anywhere near high end at all.
its avg to low end most of the time.
No class in WoW has ever been able to be top tier at everything. At minimum it requires a gear swap and in almost all cases a spec and no rune swap as well. None of which can be done in combat.
And since nothing in WoW has every rewarded being bad at everything since you are stuck in one role mostly. Being a bad dps + a bad healer + a bad tank is actually much worse than being really good at one of those + really bad at the other two.
Hence why the hybrid tax has always been stupid, maybe in the mythical game that WoW isn’t it would make sense but we’re not playing that game.
Still no nerfs huh? Man these devs are hilarious.
Its fkin crazy - I’ve been complaining since day 1 on SoD how OP Shaman are and its so obvious now what are the devs thinking.
No lie - I saw a Shaman 1 Shot 3 Paladins with 1 chain lighting in WG and he was enhance!!! then he ran over and killed another 2 hunters while with white swings only and while he was killing the hunters he soloed a priest just with his totem.
Why even play another class - Alliance has lol paladins (literally the weakest class in game by every metric) and Horde gets a freakin Abrhams tank that is Shaman
I have seen people cry on the forums about specs being op for years. Usually, there is a way to counter said class and is almost always simply a skill issue. That being said, this is not the case in this situation. It feels so bad being killed when there is no possible way to counter it. I love trying to come up with ways to defeat a class that traditionally counters yours. However, I have been banging my head against a wall trying to kill enhance shamans in bgs for weeks. I have still not found a way the reliably kill them 1v1. After seeing back peddling, keyboard turning shamans win 3v1s, I have came to the conclusion they are absolutely broken. Not only are they broken, they are broken in many ways. Without going into the list of broken abilities and runes, it is simply like a level 40 fighting a level 60. There hp, dps, utility and heals are head and shoulders above every other classes. There has never been a class or spec that has been this completely broken that I can recall in my 20 years of playing wow.
OP is another non-SOD character. 23 posts.
Complains about shaman.
Yep. Part of the coordinated smear campaign against shamans and horde faction on this forums by several alt posters from the same 5 people.
best I got for u is living bomb cast at max range fire blast u get frost shocked living flame. blink in if possible so he walks back through the flame before he gets to u. Escape artist may buy you another fire blast and let the bomb go off pray for RNG to let you pyro. blast wave fire, blast and arcane explosion because you’re not getting away again as he closes in for the kill. you could always stay max range and ignore whatever objective u were going for and fight another day. it’s tough now none of our snares ever work and he has 3 times your hp.
That is almost exactly what I do more or less. I also precast chrono and use a nade to try and peel. It is still almost never enough. Also, with living flame nerf that is almost useless now.
yup I agree but sometimes I rng and get lucky but usually ends the same as u that grounding totem always sucks up something maybe 2 global depending on if the living bomb takes the first one. it’s just a really tough fight for us. I take the extra crit damage over the heal. When they are on u that heal isn’t going to give u very much extra time and ur not getting a second one off. People act like it’s so easy to wand them totems when a juggernaut is running at u full speed and immune to snares. impact has saved me many times to be honest are only true defense against them.
Yup I have killed them just usually they are really bad and undergeared and still need rng.
hybrids could heal a lot before ooming in classic. Its retail where hybrids are weak in their non main role. in classic they really are a jack of all trades master of none. I played hybrid and could do some DPS then switch to bear form if someone pulled an extra group by mistake or switch to healer if healer died or went afk mid fight, or cast innervate and help heal if the tank pulls when healer is oom. Hybrids really could do a lot of different things to help support a group. it was only in raids, where everyone was expected to do 1 or two specs, where the support class was pigeon holed into playing support (big deal).
in sod they took away the master of none part and let you be a master at 2, whcih is OP in pvp but seems less of an issue right now because PvP is so bursty you just kill people before seeing a classes full toolkit.
if SoD trends continue balance druids will be doing mage tier dps, have a stealth, have spells that stun, have an on demand stun from feral tree, have mail tier armor from moonkin, be able to remove snares at will, be immune to polymorph, have instant heals and heal 90% as good as if they went full resto.
Basically anyone who says hybrid tax is bad is either an idiot or they just want retail version of wow where “hybrids” arent really hybrids and they can just switch roles by switching specs.
You’re maining a shaman. Of course you have a problem with paladin. When they have bubble up, it’s the only class you can’t just erase.
The bubble only last 10 seconds then they get erased by you. Calm down. You’re still ridiculous over tuned.
It became a pure tax a long time ago.
Tank Priest very much already a thing: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/priest-tank-season-of-discovery-guide-caperfin-priest-tank/1760838
“Very much” doing immense work in that sentence.
Three of forty. How many were warriors? The best comps throughout classic ran 18+ warriors and the vast majority of other classes were forced into fulfilling a specific niche to further benefit warriors.
In this case it’s a lack of skill. Shaman cannot effectively do all this at the same time. If you cannot even identify the spec you’re fighting against you won’t know how to counter it. Look for simple tell, tell signs like these:
Follow these simple steps.
If you get soloed, that’s a you issue. See step one. If you think all shaman can heal, melee, and nuke at the same time again a you issue see step 2. If you see a shaman see step 3 for the answer to the issue.