Tbf the hybrid tax of shaman is to have all of these things we are Great at, and we have to know how to do them all to fit into any raid comp.
It’s taxing being this amazing.
Better than zero bad classes in 10-man and 25-man.
Hahahahah you’re not invited to those raids anyway. No normal raid comp I saw ran more than a few of any class. Nobody wants to join a raid with massive competition like that.
https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/2008#metric=hps
https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/2008#class=Tanks
Try to play hpal in pvp and come to talk with me after, not even cleanse in this phase when shamans got purge.
I literally main Hpal 
I was in those raids though. If you want to check the receipts i have not changed my character name since classic launch.
Smolderweb - classic
Whitemane -tbc/wrath
Lone wolf -sod
If you want proof in logs.
When I say “those raids” I mean top competitive raids.
You’re a purple average resto shaman, which is cool, but your 11 stack of Warriors in Naxx (lol @18+) isn’t necessary to compete at the level that you guys were running at.
Unless you’re going for top fastest speed clears, there’s no need to stack a bunch of Warriors. You guys may have done it because there are simply a lot of Warrior players, or you wanted to make the raids much easier.
It is nice to see. Usually shamans are only complained about because they are bad.
It is also comical to me how every “NERF SHAMAN” post almost immediately devolves into:
Horde: “RET PALADINS ARE MORE OP!”
Alliance: “NUH UH!”
If you are talking about p6 naxx change the logs setting to healing because my average is 96. But yes you pinned the nail on the head with there being lots of warriors and wanting to finish the raid in under 5 hours. Also we were an average guild so you would actually see the same number or often more in other guilds.
Nobody gives two shids about healing parses buddy.
You guys defending Pally as not OP in their own right have to know you’re being pretty disingenuous. They stun lock better than rogues now in a 1v1, have plate, have heals, have big “I win” cooldowns. They seem like the strongest 1v1 class in the game atm.
I know the damage isn’t as high, but you have your own strengths for sure. I usually get wrecked and die before the stuns even wear off on my shaman.
Nobody cares about our parses except us healers. Am I supposed to parse damage as resto? Your mentality is part of the reason being a healer can feel so damn bad.
Gotta say you must be bad, as pallies have 1 stun every minute unless your prot and if you getting stunned to death by prot, your really bad. Buble is every 10 minutes omg so overpowered… second bubble wow your fight lasted more than a minute (only way you can get that second bubble to kick off)… i’m seeing a definite bad player on your part so far logically thinking of how you got bubble stunned locked…
Yes.
Nobody cares about healing parses. They’re not indicative of a good raid. Healers that do the most damage while keeping the raid alive are the best healers.
Have your buddy stand in fire for a fight and your healing parses are gonna be high af.
Like your damage parses are good as resto. Obviously you play this way as well, you just wanna point to your higher, but entirely meaningless healing parses.
Brother parses indicate your performance in a comparison to other individuals in your role and/or class. I have known for a while now that healer parses are not entirely indicative of a good raid but to discount any and all of the effort healers put into just trying to compete on our own meters is toxic and dimishing. Perhaps the 100 parsers tell their buddies to go stand in the fire but I personally have been begging people to get out of the fire since I swapped to resto. Also this isnt ff14, we did not have the mana allowance to hard dps in classic outside of speedrun situations or similar extremely short boss kill occasions.
Hybrid tax is stupid, but the utility tax should still exist, and shamans bring buckets and buckets of utility, leaving classes that do less damage and less utility in the dust, why bring even one rogue or warrior when you can just bring more shamans? The only thing rogues/warriors can do that shamans can’t is stun, sunder and mind-numbing poison, and even priests have a better sunder than both those classes.
as of now only paladins are suffering Hybrid taxes. Meanwhile druids are pressing 1 button to literally anihilate anything from a safe distance in boomkin form, and shamans are anihilating anything close and safe distance while also being nearly indestructible.
Sheesh that’s still like 25% of the raid tho.
No, not toxic. The metric isn’t indicative of high performance by virtue of the metric itself. I don’t make it valueless, it simply is valueless.
Tell that to all the high parsing healers.
And completely unnecessary. I was never in a raid that stacked, unless we were downing Kazzak.
Normal raids and pugs ran maybe 5 DPS Warriors.
5 mins.
every 5 mins.
you know how long it takes from losing a fight at a node and getting back to that node?
4 and 1/2 to 5 mins.
just enough time to bubble again.
Well having any shamans in your raid for gnomer is also completely unnecessary.
Viable != Optimal
That’s the problem in your point at its core. There are many sup optimal viable ways to play.