Correct but there is nothing forcing you or even incentivizing you to do so solo. In fact for the people pointing out how much better premade groups are than pug groups you are actually incentivized to preform your group if you want to spam dungeons.
This has a much bigger likelihood to happen, if there are not extra rewards associated with spamming LFD.
The extra rewards will draw more people away from being available for me to draw from for forming groups manually.
Again we can reasonably disagree about how many more people will be drawn away by these extra rewards. But it will be more people pulled away from me by these extra rewards.
If LFD doesn’t come with extra rewards that just doing the dungeons themselves won’t give, then I have no problem.
Except, GASP, that makes the argument of “if you don’t like it don’t use it” null and void! We are still being forced to use it to get those extra badges, to bypass lockouts, to teleport, exc.
The entire point of this thread is that the argume t of “if you do t like it don’t use it” is horse S because the reality becomes “if you don’t like it, to bad, use it or gimp yourself”
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Except gasp you are not using LFD to form your group. You claim you love manually forming groups so much, LFD does not prevent or even encourage anyone not to do so.
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Except still forced to use the tool, regardless of it is to form the group.
And? Not seeing the problem, you get to have your cake and eat it to. Manually formed group with LFD rewards, win win for you.
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You are still saying if I want these rewards I can use LFD to get it. I know I can do that. What I’m saying is I don’t WANT to do that.
If I don’t want to touch LFD at all when forming/completing a group, whether I’m solo or even when I’m with 3 other people and only need 1 more, my ability to do that with LFD in the game will be diminished, because people are drawn away from me and towards LFD by the extra rewards.
Remove the extra rewards with LFD and there will be less people drawn away, very likely to the point that I then will not notice the difference.
Except LFD did exist in the original. They intended to launch it with Vanilla, but didn’t finish it in time. Then settled on [Looking for Group] tool for TBC, and then thought “Well, look at Battlegrounds, it’s a good case in point, because it doesn’t diminish social relationships that matter on a realm.” and created LFD.
The devs today think saying 2 sentences during a WC run is community building social interaction.
Modern retail hardly use LFD, and can’t even be equated to wrath LFD.
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Why not? If you have your manually formed group what is the problem?
And in all fairness I wouldn’t care if they changed LFD to not have the rewards tied directly to it. And it was left as two quests per day from a quest giver and LFD was purely for groups.
It will come with the extra rewards of doing it the first time.
As it would be the new form of daily heroic.
Except it directly impacts the ability to form groups by removing the majority of players from the group forming process. And even if we don’t use it to form the group, we still have to use the tool to get the extra badges.
Aka, “if you don’t like it don’t use it” is a horse S argument.
“Sure, everyone can bring up ‘that one guy’ that they know, the ninja looter who stole his stuff. But I think your real community isn’t the whole realm, but it’s your guild and the friends you group with, and the cross-server LFG won’t undermine that at all.”
If you don’t like it, you can form a group with your guild or friends and run to the dungeon. Nothing is stopping you.
LFR isn’t efficient, it drops lower ilvl gear than normal raids.
Rdf drops the same gear.
It’s ok, we both know which is superior, I know you gotta save face.
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Seeing something is there and thinking that it’s NOT a problem is a fine opinion to have.
Different things matter to different people.
Seeing something is there and saying because I don’t think it matters, it isn’t there at all. Is a factually incorrect argument.
And there it is, straight from the horse’s mouth.
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Rdf is the feature we are talking about.
Not lfd, which existed in CATA. Not lfg from tbc.
Are you unable to stay on topic?
It doesn’t tho.
They are only incentives for doing RDF the first time daily since that’s when it gives badges.
You do know people will TARGET heroics for drops right?
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I guess whats missing is the part that he was wrong lol.
Like I said if they left it as two quests per day from quest givers in Dalaran and LFD was purely for forming groups I think a lot of people would be fine with that.
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I can post the whole interview for context. Sure, it might be old, but it still holds true.
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