Do you have the appropriate PPE?
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Job A pays $15.
Job B pays $25.
It’s officially not a choice.
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no point arguing with a troll
The answer to this given, is always “but you can form a group manually and then use the LFD tool to get these rewards.”
So I still do have to use LFD. It’s not “if I don’t like it don’t use it.” If I like the rewards, I DO have to use it eventually.
It’s because the people saying these things cannot accept or fathom that I really don’t want to use the LFD tool. If I literally had 4 friends on all the time who want to spam dungeons, OK fine I am not affected by the LFD tool. But if I’m by myself. Or if I’m with fewer than 4 other people and I want to MANUALLY fill out the rest of the group. I would have a lot harder time doing so now, because other people are using LFD and not available for me to draw from for manual group forming.
It’s fine if they think that’s stupid of me to want to do it that way. That is a fine opinion.
What isn’t fine is telling me “if you don’t like it don’t use it” then tell me if I just used it, I can get the same rewards I’m missing out on by not using it. I don’t like the system. I like the rewards that come with the system. If using the system vs not using the system to do the same content yielded the same rewards, i.e. just the rewards that the dungeons themselves yielded, then I have no problem.
I don’t understand why so many people are posting that they want LFD because they love spamming dungeons and just want easier grouping……and then fight me SO HARD on keeping the extra rewards that come with the tool.
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Because they are unwilling to compromise at all.
My dislike of rdf is 2 things
- Cross realm
- The bonus rewards (badges, loot bags, teleport, exc)
Completely remove all forms of bonus rewards (other than it forms your group). And restrict it to your realm only unless the average wait time exceeds a certain threshold (30+ min seems reasonable) to help small realms, and I am fine with it.
But the full wotlk version of rdf is bad for the game
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I’m somewhere in this sphere.
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Remove the teleportation
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No X-realm.
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No bonus reward scheme.
In this state, I’d happily accept RDF back.
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Because its a devastating blow to the ego to have to admit you’re a sellout who likes things quick and easy while getting paid to do it. Its easier to just demonize dissenters and use reductionist arguments so you never have to cope with the fact that you cant (or dont want to) handle the older games - especially when older WoW was already made for a fairly casual audience.
Look at all the arguments defending boosts, dual specs in TBC and now RDF.
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I think that’s a reasonable compromise.
You act as if its inappropriate to want features that were released for the xpac in question. I assure you, you travelling to the dungeon or saying “ill go” in response to an lfg ad doesnt make you a better gamer.
You trying to make this deeper than it is is humorous though
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No hes just debating the merits of the actual feature itself.
He’s plainly said he doesn’t mind if RDF is in, he just hates stupid arguments for why RDF is supposedly the best thing for the game.
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Im not. For the 50th time, Im pro RDF. I think authenticity outweighs “making WoW great again”. That ship sailed well over a decade ago and its never coming back. There might have been some minor potential with the release of Classic (now Classic Era) but Blizz blew it and the players thought they did but they didnt.
I also think there is an argument to be made about the sincerity of such a move given everything else thats transpired.
What I dont care for, is the player argument that RDF is an all upside, no downside, no community impact move thats so awesome and amazing that its a real missed opportunity that theyre taking it away. To me its far easier to just state the simple truth - yes RDF and things like it are potentially harmful, I just simply dont care and want to snack on my delicious cake instead.
No one is saying that it does. However, the more effort, the more reward and RDF fails that litmus test - and its not even close.
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How long do badges stay relevant?
At that stage they may as well be asking for the group finder tool.
December 2010.
No one is saying LFD didn’t have any downsides. We just want to play WotLK as it was, both the good and bad.
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This was inevitable with boosts as I see it. They gave retail players a way to bypass a great deal of a game they didn’t want to play. Appealing to people that don’t want to play your game is what the current developers think is a great solution and is core retail game design logic.
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Then the only person you have to convince is Blizzard, if you’d like a return to complying with #nochanges.
We have no control over that.
All we can do is debate the merits of RDF as a feature, in light of Blizzard already having made the decision to remove it.
If you’re going to make the “I just want things how they were” plea, that’s completely out of the framework, and something only Blizzard needs to be convinced of. That seems unlikely though, because they intentionally shifted to #somechanges when they realized most of the community didn’t like #nochanges.
We also have to shut down the naysayers using 10 different characters and multiple accounts pushing the non-existing player’s agenda that LDF must not be in the game.
Boosts existed in the game.
Dual Spec existed in WoTLK.
RDF existed in WoTLK.
What didn’t exist in WoTLK was you.
It’s astounding that there even is a discussion for a thread like this one. “If you don’t like it, don’t use it” is obviously a bad argument and anytime it’s used by someone the only use it has is being dismissed as irrelevant to the discussion.
My only complaint about this thread would be only mentioning the RDF camp in that last paragraph. You are singling out one side that implies(whether it is intended or not) implies that the other side doesn’t do it. Simply mentioning both sides in that paragraph would remove any credible assumption of double standard.
I would also claim that the thread itself is futile as it has no chances to achieve the goal of stopping people from using bad arguments in forum discussions. If the goal is to maybe educate a few people though maybe it was successful.