It’s already been flagged 
Did Zip try to buy twitter or something?
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Wow yall are sensitive. Can talk down to someone and when you get called out you run to daddy moderator. Lol sad
If you made a server that had all the elitist that were against lfd and another that were for lfd which do you think would fill up first…? I get the anti LFR but a 5 man destroying community when we have mage boosting and blizz boosting… come on.
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It’s true that LFR comes with it an ever so slightly different set of issues, in that raids are meant to be organized activities that are somewhat actively challenging and LFR sort of…makes that entire aspect meaningless for the purpose of exposing narrative content to players who couldn’t be arsed to engage with that challenge.
To me, the type of player who likes both are those who want everything quick and painless without much input expected of them.
Most people are hoping to get grouped with several people way more geared than them so they can be carried, so they don’t have to contribute much, where as earning a group like that naturally is a bit of a different thing.
LFR just added too significantly to the oversaturation of “meeting the casual in the middle” aspects in my opinion.
The thing about Cata is you start seeing a lot of feature and design direction overlap compared to retail.
Wanting an “authentic” experience then almost spiritually becomes just wanting retail…all over again…so if wanting Classic to be unique from retail is the goal, and the classic franchise continues through the expansions, it’s essentially expected that some of even many things are going to change because the entire point would be to curate it to be unique from retail.
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My only issue with this is we arent getting a WOTLK that will last 2 years we are getting a version on a progression server that will have faster unlocks.
I think lining it up middle of THIS version would be more fair.
You all keep bringing up Vanilla WOTLK as if it holds any weight anymore.
basically.
Scripted content. run a few times…run on semi autopilot. Lack of social has more of a basis here then anything else.
Some say look at retail lfd. No one talks. its 9.2 now…barring nooby noob noob player…we have seen the leveling dungeons. 100+ times in most cases for altaholics. No need to coordinate plaguefall on run 100 as you run 6th alt here in 54(?) to 60. No need to coordinate heroic LFD either. you did that 100+ times too. for dungeon quest callings, memories in 9.0, etc.
5 people knows how it goes. If one is walking into the tentacle aoe spam on boss 4 of plaguefall at this point…chat spam ain’t fixing this. Nothing…is fixing that. They are just really really really bad or apathetic as hell.
Or maybe new. For the new people I say use an old standby rule. when 4 other people are moving to a spot…follow them. Sometimes being a lemming is okay. Do what the group does. 4 people probably know something you don’t.
View based on eve and doing its higher end pve. we talk there. We have to.
Group wise you got incursions and wormholes. Think system wide mythic+ prefixes. turned on 24/7. gate to gate and every inch of space between…the debuffs are taking effect. Group is needed to muscle through the debuffs. and the mobs are harder.
the rats (mobs, npcs) have different AI and do different things. Some scripts are there, yes. But its not clean up by the numbers 1,2,3,4…mission style.
Even has shifting aggro. eve doesn’t do tank taunt 100% anymore. Mob X, Y and Z can out the blue go…I will shoot Tom not Sarah. tank that or warp off to break the aggro.
and then, ofc, players can come in to say “hi!, you are my new target”.
Solo wise…burners. these mobs get nice ships, nice gear, and much smarter AI. Not easy to farm these at first. even with a few runs…you still have to pay attention.
Where do you get your data to say most people want to be carried???
Personal experience in any dungeon or raid 
Part of the problem is wotlk rdf is cross realm AND it gives more rewards for using rdf than not using it, it a way that encourages toxic behavior like skipping all non messesary bosses to get the loot satchel at the end.
The wotlk version of rdf is bad for the game.
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Play a tank or a healer and then go do random dungeons.
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LFR as a whole is pointless idk why even it even gets brought up.
It has trash ilvl.
Its easier than normal dungeons.
You arent farming it like you are a guild raid for progression.
It doesnt even launch in a full raid setting it has unlocks.
Its literally there for players who just want to see the content, it holds no bearing on progression or gearing up.
Its basically a story mode raid.
Not sure why its ever even brought up.
Heres the unlock schedule for SHaodwlands newest raid.
March 1 – Normal and Heroic difficulties. Note that the last three bosses (Lords of Dread, Rygelon, and The Jailer) will NOT be available in this first week.
March 8 – The remaining three bosses unlock for Normal and Heroic. All bosses are available for Mythic. Raid Finder Wing 1: Ephemeral Plains (Vigilant Guardian, Skolex, the Insatiable Ravener, Artificer Xy’mox, Halondrus the Reclaimer) becomes available.
March 22 – Raid Finder Wing 2: Cornerstone of Creation (Dausegne, the Fallen Oracle, Prototype Pantheon, Lihuvim, Principal Architect) becomes available.
April 5 – Raid Finder Wing 3: Domination’s Grasp (Anduin Wrynn, Lords of Dread, Rygelon) becomes available.
April 19 – Raid Finder Wing 4: The Grand Design (The Jailer) becomes available
Look how long LFR takes to FULLY release…its literally a story mode.
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The attitude of not helping those less geared then you is the start of the breakdown of the community not lfd… i used to love healing low groups on my druid or tanking as my pally. Used to put skills to the test on a fairly easy xpansion
LFD and LFR are in essence the exact same thing.
Just because your gear is under par doesnt mean you want to be carried. You could be in good gear and still be a liability to the group. Carried means youre not really there to do anything but collect at the end.
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Not even close. Literally at all.
In fairness, RDF doesn’t make the content purposefully much easier and give worse loot to compensate in some strange attempt to “story mode”-ify it.
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They should have been.
LFD allows you to access any dungeon at any difficulty.
LFR was designed with only a particular raid and difficulty.
Remember what I said about being treated like cattle? The message sent is that randoms aren’t allowed to queue for whatever raid/difficulty they want.
Final point I should make; I was never going to run and never did run Dragon Soul without LFR.
Because its there to take away from the raid community. People won’t run normal or higher. this seems to be one of their ideas
Speaking as a LFR hero, but not for all lfr heros,…I’ve no plans above LFR. If not there…I’d still not run higher raid. I’d fail gear check.
what’s your gear. 7/7 honor gear head to toe. PVP spec’d conduits, pvp spec’d talents…I am not pve optimal. and nor do I care I am not pve optimal on my most used chars. Its what I do when its a god awful wintergrasp night.
I see 4 WG’s in a row…I go hell no. Dump that 4th one and go…okay it can be lfr night. Since I have the deserter buff to burn off anyway…