"If you don't like it, don't use it"

You can do dungeons without using it, you can form groups without using it.

Theoretically we still could, but practically speaking, with most of the player pool using LFD, it’s going to become a lot harder to form groups manually. I get that this might not seem like a big deal at all to many, but if you just stay with me a minute and go with the premise that, this is something I want to do (regardless of whether you think this is a dumb thing to do or not), then to me, when that something I want to do becomes a lot harder to do, that is a negative to me.

I think the #1 culprit that LFD once implemented would feel “obligatory” to a lot of people is the extra rewards that it brings. Mostly the currency that can be used to buy raid tier gear. The gold and XP is whatever. Because, see, you could tell retail players that they don’t have to grind covenants/azerite powers/artifact powers/what-have-you, but how many retail players complain that they feel like they HAVE to do the daily/weekly chores or they “fall behind”? How many retail players actually do enjoy grinding these things out every day? But they do it because FOMO is human nature and they don’t want to feel like they are falling behind.

You are saying feelings are irrelevant, but in the context of motivation, feelings are the only thing that matters. You can tell the retail player that they are not actually behind, that they are in the top X-percentile of players in terms of ilvl, or covenant level (sorry if I’m wrong about terminology I didn’t like Shadowlands and barely played it), but if they FEEL like they are falling behind, then they will either feel compelled to use a system that helps them grind and “catch up”, whether that be leveling their artifact weapons or neckpiece faster, or grinding out Emblems of Triumph faster so they can buy more gear. Or they quit. These decisions are driven by their feelings and perception.

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Seriously, I want to see any of these fools go on the retail forum and say “you don’t HAVE to grind artifact power”…

Yeah sure, you don’t have to do the bare minimum thing that is required of you to do…like anything, but are you really acting like there’s a choice in this scenario?

This is absolutely correct.

Just because we could maybe still do it, doesn’t mean our ability to isn’t being impacted heavily, and thus, a negative impact simply due to the existence of RDF.

I don’t get how this is so hard to understand for some people…

Or Remulos server as well.

I can see this. I’ve had many positive social interactions joining/forming PuGs on several servers. On the other hand I’ve definitely also seen the things people complain of like the LFG chat spam. The community in classic wow today is definitely not what it once was in the og times. Which is why personally I would be OK with a group-finding tool that helps people find groups, even with teleportation and x-realm, if it doesn’t come with extra rewards that make using the tool feel obligatory, as compared to not using the tool and not getting those rewards.

So to be clear, you don’t believe the existence of RDF impacts my ability to form natural groups? Like, zero effect?

Did I ever state it would have zero effect on that? You’re responding to a statement I made that indicates that LFD not being in the game has not made classic any different in terms of forming groups. Classic is a real example the features often used as scapegoats for retail failing are not actually at fault. The playerbase themselves are.

Though at the sameitme, Im not concerned about whether your gameplay is impacted by RDF being in the game or not. Your enjoyment of the game doesnt mean anything to me.

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So if not caring about how it effects others’ gameplay is valid, how do you expect me to summon up any sympathies for you not being able to use RDF?

Since I believe RDF impacts the ability to naturally form groups, why exactly would I fight for you to get RDF back?

Naturally the only option is to validate Blizzards choice to remove it.

…Also, you have zero evidence of this, as RDF has never been in classic.

I never asked for your sympathy. Nor have I asked for you to switch sides. All I did was respond to your OP with the fact that there is nothing about RDF that FORCES you to use it. Which is true.

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And yet, the problems that exist in retail are happening in Classic today! You’re almost getting it.

What problems?

I form lots of natural groups for dungeons in classic.

I had no need to do that in retail wrath after RDF was implemented.

Seems proof enough that you’re just incorrect.

Zipzo is also on Atiesh server on Aliance side. The population of Aliance on that server alone is more then twice the total population of most servers. Thats why Zipzo does not think its a problem. Just like if a rich person doesnt see a problem with minimum wage. I.e; CLUELESS Its not a problem, because it will not affect Zipzo.

I transferred to Atiesh.

If your population is actually bad, you would have transfers enabled.

Just because you don’t “need” to doesn’t mean you can’t.

Are you saying that natural group forming is not impacted by the existence of RDF?

Are you saying that if LFD is released, there will be NO dungeon groups made organically?

Remulos has less then 1000 active horde raiders and pvp’rs combined as per Ironforge Pro.
We sadly only make up 1/3rd of population with Aliance just being over 2000 something.
The REASON we have not got a transfer option is that WE are the ONLY PVE server in Australia. Blizz in their genius level thinking made 5 servers, 4 of them being PvP realms. AND as you should very well know, you can not transfer from PvE to a PvP server.

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How is this point even valid or meaningful if it shrinks said community in to near non-existence?

Without LFD I would have never played WoW beyond LK.

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How would it???

if you’re gonna throw the word forced around you might as well show us that you’re legitimately forced to use it.

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