Dire Maul did not launch with the game, Deadmines did.
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Nice troll thread. Got em biting tonight.
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Good to know! I usually just look at the persons level but since Dire Maul is not even out…VC Or DM really does not matter…At least for the time being.
Yeah, I ended up finding it (on page 10), afterwards. I’ll make sure to correct my healers from now on… “Stop using OOM. It’s LOM. The compendium says so!”
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That was some guy’s guide that came out after DM was released. Played Beta and release on Kel Thuzhad it was called DM. And Dire Maul was not called DM because it had 3 sections. We use to called DM West\East, Tribute run etc if you simply said DM noone knew which one you wanted. Though none of this should matter it call it what you like if you find a group for it good for you.
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It was on one of his Twitch streams near release. Not going to dig through VODs, but if you go to his stream and ask him in chat he’ll tell you. He interacts quite a bit.
Also, you can insist on VC, but it just broadcasts to the world that you came late and didn’t play in the beta or at release.
He supported his statement with the argument after the statement. Way to go.
VC is what Alliance called the Deadmines in Vanilla. Van Cleef was bigger than the dungeon when it came to understanding what you were doing. This is why VC was used and not questioned.
People who never remembered or were a part of Vanilla think of things hindsight only when they just affix a 2 letter abbreviation to it then try to convince people of history that never existed.
That’s existed for a long time and is likely the most established acronym on the page.
You are making things up based on hindsighted speculation.
Even Dire Maul was not abbreviated as “Running DM” you usually added a wing to the acronym or just wrote the instance out.
This was one of the countless reasons we didn’t use the instance name as the acronym back then.
Dire Maul didn’t cause the acronym for The Deadmines to change to VC. It’s always been VC and it was an easy way to understand it without confusing anyone.
This is a meme and is a bad one.
Stop trying to write history that doesn’t exist and qualify it with an experience of history that doesn’t exist to discredit people’s actual history with the game that does exist.
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Both are correct, and both are included in the compendium. Unsurprisingly, both also existed long before Warcraft.
You are right about Dire Maul, you are wrong about The Deadmines.
No, it’s not. Bradygames is still an active Blizzard partner. This was an officially sanctioned guide. Just google it, all the info is out there.
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I played Alliance from the beta. I never referred to Deadmines as VC at all. I have never heard of this controversy until Classic. And an original WoW designer, the one who made all the classes, agrees with me.
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That’s interesting. I’ve also played since beta, and don’t recall hearing VC prior to Classic (though, admittedly, I’ve played Horde almost exclusively).
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Links please. Stop making up history that doesn’t exist to create an argument.
It’s very simple, Van Cleef was an iconic boss very early on in Vanilla and that’s why using his name abbreviation for the instance made way more sense BACK THEN than it would today.
So trying to convince people to use DM is a very modern 201X look at a very old system.
I have no idea where it came from DM was always Deadmines. Dire Maul was always DM E, DM W, DM N, or DM Tribute. I feel like we’re being gaslit or something.
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I’m not digging up a VOD from a month ago. You just can’t accept it. Go and ask him yourself if this matters so much to you. I’m just giving you the facts that Kevin Jordan flat out said DM = Deadmines. I don’t need to prove it. He said it. Go ahead in ignorance. I’m not going to bother. Go ask him yourself. He’s very responsive.
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Read through some of the comments here from 2006:
https ://classic.wowhead. com/the-deadmines#comments
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nobody care about this troll since after week one of release
DM was never deadmines. Not at the start of vanilla, not after Dire Maul was released, not at the of vanilla.
DM wasn’t Dire Maul unless you were adding the Wing to it. Similar to Scarlet Monastery only made since to use SM if you followed it up with the wing (i.e. SM lib, GY, arm, cath).
The correct answer is that neither instance (during Vanilla) used DM by itself to describe the instance.
Archimonde - Horde
Feathermoon - Alliance
Perenolde - Alliance
Wildhammer - Alliance
There’s no making up history. All of my above realms used both and people seemed to manage understanding what was wanted. Even my lesser played realms used both and people still managed. It wasn’t a big deal then, it’s not a big deal now.
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