If I were a member of the Horde

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Assuming he has some kind of peace treaty with the Horde, he would just have to cut off support and disavow any faction that attacked. None of the Alliance nations are strong enough to fight the Horde on their own so ultimately they would have to fall in line. In the long term this is bad for Anduin and the Alliance, but he does have the power to do this.

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The Night Elves were capable of holding off the Horde even when they were hit with a surprise attack, and the Horde only broke through because they were relying on Saurfang’s tactical acumen.

On their own terms? Supported by the Worgen (and likely the Kul’tirans as well as the Void Elves and potentially the Dark Iron). They’d be able to cause a lot of harm. Now add in the Stormwind units that deserted.

Him disavowing the attack would have little, if any, effect, and they have easy access to supplies from their other allies.

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Its called the sniper dilemma, OP. Why kill a enemy who does their job so poorly, on the off chance he gets replaced by someone who’s more competent or motivated?

This also why I can’t stand him on my alliance toons. The entire story will bend over backwards to ensure that his opinion is the right one, and any dissident will turned into a smiling sycophant smothered in condescending “rightness” because the Alliance is a perfect 1950’s nuclear FaMiLy. I don’t know how Blizzard expects anyone who’s not a human paladin to feel this “fAcTiOn PrIdE” that this expansion is supposed to be about.

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The Night Elves have never been capable of stopping the Horde. They’ve lost the entirety of Ashenvale twice now not to mention being unable to evict the Warsong. Now they’re left with a fraction of their population and they’re somehow supposed to continue fighting the Horde that is no longer focused on Stormwind. They’d be lucky to hold on to any of their territory if they kept fighting alone.

The only nations with any territory are the Night Elves and the Kul Tirans, and only the Kul Tirans have had their population remain mostly unharmed. The Horde on the other hand, has yet to suffer a major defeat like the Night Elves.

Any harm the others did would cost them far more than it costs the Horde. And why would Stormwind have any units desert? They’re being told to go home, not fight their former allies. I can see a few individuals, but on the whole they’re going to listen to Anduin.

What allies? Only the Kul Tiran’s and Night Elves are capable of producing anything in meaningful amounts. Void Elves and the Worgen have no home. The Dark Iron are their best bet for supplies, but those would have to be smuggled to them.

All of the Alliance nations rely on either Stormwind or Ironforge to fight against the Horde. Without them, they would be lucky to hold onto whatever territory they had.

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Actually, he got pretty much exactly a slap on the wrist:

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Luckily the Night Elves don’t have to fight alone, as the Gilneans and the Alliance as a whole is supporting them. But that’s fairly off topic, and I doubt you’d be interested in an analysis of how by the lore we’re given the Night Elves are doing quite well against the Horde now after Tides of Vengence, but I refer you to another thread:

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We’re talking a hypothetical where Anduin gets a peace treaty with the Horde and why the groups that want revenge would be forced to go along with it. In this case, the Night Elves don’t have the support of Stormwind

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I think you might have missed that it might already be the case that they don’t have Anduin’s support:

    Anduin Wrynn says: I wish things were different, High Priestess. But with the war raging in both Arathi and Zandalar, an assault on Darkshore would stretch us too thin.

But then

So doesn’t seem like the people on the ground are really following along with what Anduin was saying. Which amusingly plays into what people have been talking about in this thread:

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And where will those Horde forces that are stretching the Alliance thin go once the war with Stormwind and whoever follows them is over?

The Night Elves and Worgen were capable of opening a new front when the Horde was already occupied with fighting. They would be in very bad shape once the bulk of the Horde armies return. That is why they would have to go along with Anduin signing some peace treaty despite their desire for revenge. And I doubt any peace treaty would have those races losing any of their territory since blizz already balanced them back in cata.

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I in no way want the Night Elves to continue the war after it’s over. Luckily, your peace treaty likely will placate the Night Elves just as the last one did: the last peace treaty had the Horde leave Ashenvale, and a new peace treaty would probably do so as well, and once out of their land, the Night Elves will probably be happy with the Horde leaving them alone, if Blizzard really does want the faction war settled after this.

But the Night Elves probably could handle the Horde with just the Gilnean’s support, as covered in the analysis I linked to you.

Now here’s an odd idea. If supposedly the territories were balanced after Cataclysm, why did the Alliance lose Darkshore half the end game time? Wouldn’t that be unbalanced?

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As oppose to the Horde response to Sylvanas trying to enslave a Val’kyr? Never mind their response to her trying to make a deal with Helya of all people!

Anduin as far as I’m concern is “right” because he is trying his best to be what the Alliance should be, a force for good in the world. No I dont think the Alliance is perfect, but at the same time I think the Alliance should try to be better! If nothing else that is what makes so different from the Horde.

No more than the leverage that say any faction leader has to ensure peace. No one can control everyone, but the point is to try. Of course the alternative is we kill each other, which from the looks of thinks will end disastrously for the Horde, so win win as far as I’m concerned.

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That’s cute and all, but I don’t care what Anduin thinks or wants. A problem with the alliance narrative is that it assumes you the player are a Anduin fanboy who 100% subscribes to his idealism. I fear that this convoluted story will bend over backwards to ensure Anduin’s opinion is “right,” and browbeat anyone who disagrees in a desperate attempt to preserve the status quo.

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If it assumed that then Tyrande should be worshiping his feet right now instead of going on her own.

Besides, the game assume you like all the faction leaders.

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Danuser has already confirmed that she will eventually. There are no differing opinions allowed.

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The point is people can dissent. People have had differing opinions but ultimately because are the “good guys” they generally end up choosing what is right.

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They can “dissent,” but are shown to be wrong, and are brow-beaten into adhering to the approved faction group-think. Its A Little Patience all over. Like I said earlier;

Why have your own opinions when the writers will make sure that one of their favored pets is always right?

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Op you’ve made it clear in the past that you hate the faction war, and that you love Anduin. I doubt your willingness to understand why a character like him is bad in a war narrative.

Horde players don’t want to take advantage of a nice guy. They want an enemy that they can hate. They want a rival that puts the Alliance’s needs above the Horde’s. Horde players want to be the heroes of their faction, not the villains.

Alliance players such as me, don’t want peace with the horde. We want to at least TRY to destroy them. I want to do bad things to them. I want conflict with a guy like Anduin over methods and goals.

Blizzard isn’t giving us that.

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Oh you mean Thrall with the Warsongs? Or Garrosh with the dude he yeeted of a cliff and later the entire horde? Or Sylvanas in about a patch or two? :stuck_out_tongue:

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Like I get that from your perspective that sounds absurd.

I literally come from a country where a rival nation tried to execute both everyone in our country and their own who wore glasses because at one point in the distant past the bourgeois of both our nations wore glasses.

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Im afraid im gonna need a wikipedia link or something. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

How… does that even work? Like, if you were about to get executed you just took off your glasses and then you’re safe? Someone pulled out their mein kampf and replaced “racial purity” with “fashion”?