THe thing is the Artifact weapon as well as the netherlight crucible from legion like Azerite gear/essences and soulbinds /conduits are what people are refering to when they say borrowed powers because they are all passive talent trees that go away at the end of their expansions. Tier and legendaries are just gear and they last patch to patch and have done so since vanilla.
The systems define the expansion the pieces of gear we get and change every tier do not .
If gear is considered borrowed power then so is leveling .
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I mean it’s not wrong lol.
Considering it’s something we also have to do each expansion.
I’m not sure how I’d feel if they removed the usual 10 new levels for a whole expansion.
It would feel like a post-game patch zone, which isn’t inherently bad.
Now I will say legendaries since legion have been expansion defining because they carry through like the passive tree systems do but tier and other gear are only patch defining.
Artifact weapons and azerite gear even though the azerite gear could be changed but actually expanded on the gear it replaced by adding more rings with more passives we’re more then just gear.
Gear that would be just gear are items that are just stat sticks or just a patch only set bonus.
I aint buying it at all I’ll wait till its free to play with the sub.
I mean, the only way I buy it is IF they show us proof of genuinely changing their ways. I’ll just assume its another trash BFA / SL repeat until they do.
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Legion was 100 times better than this crap the last two expansions.
Like they took what might work ok in Legion and jacked it full of steroids and gamma radiation and turned the purple beast loose on players even after beta testors were telling them this crap sucked.
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Every expansion has had borrowed power. The whole gearing system is borrowed.
Hilarious fallacy that I see thrown around. Tier sets never reshaped playstyles in the same way borrowed power systems have done each time a new one has been introduced. “Oh but technically you don’t keep tier set powers so…” yeah idgaf, you know thats not what anyone is referring to when people use the phrase borrowed power.
You’re trying to be clever but you aren’t making a salient point. An all too common problem I see with those that defend bad game design.
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Yea, getting random legendaries you may not want or ever use was a really good way to do it. lol.
They have objectively made them BETTER and yet it’s still this bad. Says a lot about it in general. I’m with OP on this.
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Considering every expansion all the way back to classic has had borrowed power, I wonder how you made it this long.
I get SL has a lot of it, but no borrowed power would mean not even having gear or any of the basics of an MMO, so might need a rephrase of this statement.
Soooo why can’t we just have base classes be more like they used to be as opposed to barebones like they are now, and just not need to add a talent row and a few spells every expansion? They could keep the classes the same but iterate on them more often and tweak things as opposed to adding a bunch of spells every 2 years. The progression of our characters can just come from gear and non-power progression some other way. We don’t NEED these “+5% leech” and “5k shield that regenerates every 30 seconds” stuff.
Complete and utter strawman argument. What you said is BS and you know it. People have never, and are not now, complaining about tier set “borrowed power” in vanilla. No one is saying we don’t want ANY power whatsoever.
I was talking about artifact weapons, not legendary drops. Those were annoying at times though.
I think the tier set issue that some players have could have been curtailed by introducing the Creation Matrix much earlier, maybe a week or two into the patch. It is a nice addition. I just feel that it was released far too late.
friendly reminder that there’s nothing wrong with the concept if borrowed power.
Blizzard locking borrowed power behind a crappy timegated hamster-wheel grind is the issue
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Meanwhile tell me you haven’t played Shadowlands tier sets without telling me.
Balance 2p makes you prioritize Lunar over Solar Eclipse, which is the opposite we have learned to do.
Survival 2p makes you completely ditch a good chunk of your skills for a while if you get lucky with mad bombardier procs.
And those are just the two I’ve tested so far. Lol.
The SL tier change rotations more than any borrowed power system since legion.
Of course it does. They don’t know how to do anything else.
It’s probably cheaper and less time consuming to not reinvent the wheel every expansion with “new” systems. The simple fact that they continue to do so is mind boggling considering money is their god.
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Wow has had borrowed power since vanilla with ilvl and tier bonuses. No reason they’d stop now.