How many years has ERA classic been up now and its more alive than retail right now?
Years… weird
How is this not an oxymoron
The vanilla era servers are not more active than WotLKC or even close to it. That would seem to support my theory that people don’t enjoy vanilla class design as much as expansions. It also wasn’t anywhere close to as active as Dragonflight Season 1. I kind of doubt it’s even as active as DF is now despite more than half of DF players not playing anymore.
https://ironforge.pro/population/era/
That site would seem to confirm that. It has both era and WotLK numbers.
This site seems to suggest that retail still has much higher population than classic era as well.
Going by my friends list, I mostly only see people playing WotLKC and a couple on Dragonflight. Only person I’ve seen on era was after they died in HC and transferred to era, logged in briefly and haven’t played it since.
Era servers seem populated because they probably don’t even need to layer them because there’s so few people on them.
It is true that era is lively yet not even close to any other iteration of wow population wise.
In fact, era is smaller than your lowest populated 2019 classic server.
Everyone is waiting on fresh, despite some players consensus that “era proves they don’t want fresh” - era is actually extremely small
What your data does NOT do however, is support your presupposition that players aren’t playing classic vanilla because they don’t like class design.
There is nothing you can pull from your data to confirm that. You’d need a total population poll, which can’t happen. So you can only leave it on assumption
… of course, your friends list has people who play for the same stuff as you do.
My friends list is filled with people who quit playing WoW or even Blizzard games totally (some were playing D4, they seem to be done with that now). Several are waiting on Fresh. Sure, a few are playing Wrath and Retail but they already were. All the Retail players there now are people I met in WoW in 2005 etc that just kept going.
Also, 4-year-old static Era servers don’t appeal to everyone and neither does hardcore gameplay where you can’t die (although this mode is actually pretty popular right now).
Also if you are happy with Retail and Wrath those games are there for you to play. I don’t understand people who already have things there for them but they are so incredibly selfish that want to destroy the wheel for those who want something else.
Nobody said that they wanted that.
The conversation started I believe because we were talking about classic+ and whether or not it should have class changes.
I think it obviously would need to have significant class changes because most people don’t like classic class design as it is, particularly because it’s so limited in what is useful.
they could add in more gear for lvl 60 to make it more of a sandbox rasing the lvl cap makes all current raids useless though
Any data to support this?
I’m not sure why this is controversial. You’re talking about the version of the game with the fewest options by far even ignoring the additional classes added later. There just aren’t many functioning spec options in classic vanilla compared to any other version of the game. You’re not going to appeal to a wider audience when you have such a small number of functioning options. Particularly when you offer more options, but they suck. People will want the options that suck to not suck. This is why they tried to unsuck other specs in TBC+.
I don’t need a comprehensive study to know that I’m right because it’s common sense.
I actually played vanilla and know that people were unhappy about a lot of elements of class design and were happy when it changed. If the old forums still existed it would be trivial to just post a link to them and show you that most people wanted their class to change in one way or another. It really shouldn’t even take data to know that when half or more of the existing options are bad, most people will be disappointed and wish those things were actually decent choices.
The fact that when 3 versions of WoW are available, the fewest people choose vanilla suggests it’s not the most popular design out of those 3 versions at the very least. Is it the class design? The raids? It’s probably some of everything, but class design is a basic element of the game. People have to have fun playing the character they’re playing before anything else will matter. Limited options will never hold people’s interest.
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I don’t think I recall anyone asking.
This game version appeals to vanilla players. If you think the options are limited for you, then you likely won’t enjoy it no matter what they do.
There are a lot of us who have been playing this since the very first pserver popped up. Playing the same game over and over.
I actually argue there are monumentally more options to do in game compared to its newer expansion counterparts. Retail isn’t an MMO. It’s a progressive action (rpg) game.
The point of vanilla as a whole, and why we keep replaying it - doesn’t have anything to do with lack of classes or specs. If that’s what you think vanilla needs, then I hate to say it but you missed the point entirely in 2019 and likely didn’t have fun the way vanilla autismos know how to.
If all you care about is specs and classes performing the same across the board you won’t ever like this game. They’re trying to balance wrsth classes constantly and all everyone doing is complaining about it.
This game is not able to be feasibly balanced. And that’s part of the fun. If you don’t get it then stick to what you know
You literally just questioned whether a majority would dislike classic class design compared to other versions.
Objectively false by a large amount.
There are more end-game options by far in modern WoW.
There are more optional rep grinds.
There are more cosmetics to chase.
There’s a wider variety of side games including more PvP activities and even pokeWoW.
There’s more to do with your professions.
There are by far more side quests if you really want to go do them all.
Far more zones to explore.
WoW hidden content the secret finding groups have to figure out.
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You aren’t right at all. You claim common sense but actually make zero sense.
You say this game can’t hold interest because of lack of classes and specs. You’re already debunked by the fact this game has been replayed over and over for over a decade and now going on 15+ year repeats.
The crowd is still as large as ever and in fact it’s bigger than it was before classic for obvious reasons.
Declaring yourself to be right with absolutely zero backing whatsoever and making no argument whatsoever doesn’t mean anything.
You obviously are not someone who likes this game and I don’t think blizzard will cater to you. I promise you we are not going to cry if you don’t play
You said your player count statistics were proof of that claim.
They in fact were not. You looked at a population sample and said “see! They all agree with my emotions too!”
Fallacious and no backing
It’s called presupposition- a logical fallacy.
You assume players currently playing eta being lower than retail = that means the class design sucks.
Where TF did you get that information from? Did you interview the players for that??
I can’t help you honestly. You live in a classic bubble and believe things that are just objectively untrue.
You even just tried to claim classic had more content/activities to do than modern WoW.
But anyway, enjoy your fantasy world in which Paladin’s auto-attacking or spamming flash of light endlessly is the epitome of class design.
say it louder for the people in back
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It doesn’t need to be said at all since nobody is trying to take classic away from the people who are still playing it.
That are fun and meaningful, yes.
Nobody likes grinding random bars of reputation to have to do it again next patch.
There is no “helping” vanilla players?
We are good homie. you are the one that’s disconnected.
You play retail and are on the classic forums touting your own beliefs of what it should be.
We good dawg, keep to your trash game. We’re fine here and don’t care at all about you playing here or not and making up absolute nonsense about vanilla.
Yup that’s what we’re gonna do over, and over and over and over. And we’re gonna have A BLAST doing that.
And all you’re gonna do is seethe over it cause you can’t imagine how simplicity and sand box gameplay is better than your absolute dumpster fire of an xpac with chihuahuas and robot gnomes and rainbow dragons will never match up. You can keep riding your dragons while the rest of us run in and sapper bomb 200v200 at azuregos, make videos about it and talk about “that one time” for years while you can’t remember what you did in game 5 days ago
Go back to your echo chamber.
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but insists people want to grind the same rep over and over and over again that they’ve done a dozen times before already
Oh cupcake, nobody gives two Fs what you choose to do with your time. You’re the one seething over the very idea that someone questions your precious classic vanilla class design.
Unlike you I can objectively criticize any version of WoW though having played them all and having informed opinions about them.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Yup. That’s right. Cause once it’s done it doesn’t get reset next patch and the rewards feel meaningful.
You presumed the reason people aren’t playing classic rn is because of class design. This isn’t me upset about you questioning anything. This is you putting up a conclusion with absolutely zero backing behind it other than your opinion.
So I’ll ask again. Did you poll the playerbase to determine that the actual reason people aren’t playing it rn is in fact because of class changes?
Because if you didn’t do that your assumption is empty and dismissed.
Know the difference between Claims vs Proof
And you’re still here seething that I’m picking apart your claim you
Cannot provide proof of.
Go ahead and keep responding. You’ll only prove me right
Let’s cut to the chase
You have ZERO evidence for why many people aren’t playing classic in mass rn
Your guess is it’s because class design, but you haven’t provided and proof yet
When fresh launches here in a few months, we will all watch you boil with rage because we are all playing the same game over again, and you’ll be playing your pink haired chihuahua dog death knight or whatever grinding yet more rep or artifact power that’s just gonna be meaningless again next patch
Gth out of here bruh. You’re a tota nobody and a complete clown random. Nobody asked and nobody cares what you have to say
Cope seethe rage