Still doesn’t make it right that it can be abused though does it?
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Wait. Does that mean if they only use abuse is sparingly, they’ll never lose the ability to flag people? Like, if I only get someone I don’t like silenced say, once a week, will I never lose it?
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ROFL, you have no idea how far off you are.
No. They exist because people are less able to deal with their emotions and function in a society. Its a nanny function. Someone make you feel bad? Better tell the teacher!
Did these events traumatize you? Its a video game that you knowingly play with millions of others yet large numbers of people showing up behaving in very human like fashion is THAT big of a deal?
Sorry, that mountain you are pointing at looks like a mole hill.
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Right on the money on this one. The next thing you’re going to say is that RP servers should learn how to play, that Project 60 was supposed to involve everyone (except, you know they didn’t try), that your worst-case scenario actually happened (and it’s clear it did not). The usual boring stuff that comes from people who value gameplay as their defining quality of an MMORPG.
Your defense of Project 60 failed to remember that there are still posts and videos, right? That Project 60 didn’t invite anyone who wasn’t part of their group to their little party. Where was the sense of community then?
RP communities tried to welcome things like Project 60 or the Blackrock invasions of Vanilla. The simple fact is that those people rejected us in favor of their own gameplay. No skin off my back, but they were obtrusive.
Yes, and that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t have any ability to do anything about that. People will do what they think is right for them, and that absolutely does not mean we should move to join you because you came along.
I’m not the one threatening not to play Classic if right-click report isn’t removed.
You’re talking to the one kind of player who is going to play Classic regardless if looks nothing like Vanilla. I’m not going to care if the mechanics aren’t tuned right, or the progression isn’t exactly like it was in 2004.
To me, this problem you have with right-click report is definitely a molehill.
“You can turn off global chat or ignore people!” As though that hasn’t been tried, and simply didn’t work.
Sorry, but right-click report is going to stay. You can say whatever it is you want about it. Modern problems require modern solutions. This isn’t 2004, it’s 2019. Blizzard is too cheap to hire more CSRs to read reports. However you want to spin it, it’s happening.
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No. They exist because people are less able to deal with their emotions and function in a society. Its a nanny function. Someone make you feel bad? Better tell the teacher!
The rules are there for good reason , I need not point out to you why.
Actually, if I were you id be grateful. Other MMOs tend not to be merciful at all, and many of them believe firmly in the sledgehammer approach.
Carry on like a fishwife, you wont be reported, you wont be squelched, you will be summarily banned, your acct closed and no recourse.
They will throw you out the door so fast your feet wont touch the ground.
Private server players come up with topics to complain about on there YouTube channels and send you guys over here to cry about it.
Nope. I’ve played MMO’s on RP servers before. They are typically much nicer and more helpful in my experience. I just don’t see how its not expected that people are sometimes going to crash the RP party for the lulz.
This is just asinine. The put in pretty strict rules on how to level etc., CLEARLY it wasn’t supposed to involve everyone. They organized a game and happened to pick the park you usually go to. Thats it.
On a scale of 1-10, how full of yourself are you?
What defense? And why would it even NEED to be defended? It was player created content, surely the RP community can somewhat understand that, right?
You already had things you could do about it. You listed them yourself. We simply disagree on how much is the appropriate level.
/whoosh
That quote was in reference to how disruptive things like Project 60 actually are. Its a digital playground, sometimes people are going to crash the parties of others. Its just part of the human experience.
In this case it’s actually people who have common sense, and can easily see the holes in a massively flawed system have been making an issue of this, and streamers, having absolutely nothing else to talk about, but still wanting content, started making more videos about this topic because it’s popular enough to get views.
It doesn’t hurt that Blizzard actually seems to listen to streamers… but I don’t really think they where the cutting edge of this issue so much as hopping on the bandwagon while raising awareness and milking it for more content hits/views.
Too hard to tell. We don’t really know how many streamers played on private servers since you can’t really stream that, much less how much they played them if at all.
Totally agree. The issues are self evident.
And the right click report tied to an auto ignore would still push back against those bigots when the GM’s review those reports.
That is all most of have been requesting.
I have not seen anyone asking to be able to spam chat with racist or vulgar spam.
Those things are deserving of a report, IMO. I just don’t believe that those reports should put the power to punish in player’s hands.
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And we’re supposed to just lie down and take it because somebody decided that their gameplay was more important than ours? The ultimate issue is that no one likes having their gameplay disrupted or defined by someone else. Can we do something about it? Sure. Is what you think enough? Not to me.
As you’re saying “Sometimes people are going to crash the parties of others.” All you can do now is be mad that people can do something about it now.
The issue is that you’re trying to have it both ways. That those people who were “celebrating” were going to crash someone else’s party, and the people already there had to go along with it. But now that those people can eject the party-crashers, that is suddenly wrong.
I’m sorry, but you don’t have a leg to stand on there. You talk of human experience, but don’t actually have experience with this sort of thing and why things changed.
Like I said, you’ve got nothing but the usual boring arguments. “It’s player created content!” except, it wasn’t for others to enjoy, so who would care for it other than those involved? Where was the community? Oh, it’s only for those guys? Yeah, that’s definitely now how it works.
And if they had just stuck to themselves, it wouldn’t have been an issue. There are plenty of guilds who stick to level 60 leveling and gameplay. They don’t go out of their way to be disruptive like Project 60.
Oh no, they went beyond that. Crashed servers, disrupted gameplay of others - and no, just cause you call it “player-created content” doesn’t mean anything to people who have invested in their community. Those guys have already forgotten their time on these RP servers, but few to none there would ever want Project 60 back.
My gameplay is not worth more than yours, yours is certainly not worth more than mine, theirs is not worth more than anyone elses.
Again, the only thing you can do now is threaten to quit if this one little tool that helps more people isn’t removed.
“It’s a system that can be abused!” The lack of a working system is also abuse.
In this case, it’s simply a molehill that people here are making into a mountain.
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Nope. Try communicating with them. They are just people after all. If that fails, use the in game options to deal with chat you don’t like.
This is a nearly ludicrous claim to make while discussing an MMO. The entire POINT of playing with others is for them to interact/impact/disrupt the experience. What you are talking about is manners. You see examples of bad manners and want to punish people for that in a game that they pay for.
How is that significantly different form any other human interaction? People acting like people is nothing new nor surprising. Your inability to deal with it and/or adapt is YOUR problem.
If other gamers, paying for the game the same as you, can disrupt your experience this much, then take steps to limit the possibility itself. Azeroth is more than just Goldshire Inn.
I know. Those teenagers need to stay off your lawn!! You were there first!! ITS YOUR SERVER!!
Yet you only speak about the importance of your experience and no one else’s. Practice what you preach good sir.
There is a system. Multiple, in fact. Ignore, leaving specific chat channels, GM tickets etc. The problem is, you don’t like those systems and consider them invalid because you aren’t able to isolate yourself as much as you want…in an online game.
Just curious, how many of you went to Soda or Azmon and asked to help reign in the issue? Did anyone actually try to communicate and sort it out like actual people?
Thats just it. It doesn’t help people. Its the equivalent of giving tasers to a self-appointed hall monitor with a home-made badge that reads “RP Police”.
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Reposting just because someone agreed with me that racism is bad. We found common ground!! Progress! I’ll call that a win for the night
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You guys railed for the classic community and the necessity to cultivate a good reputation.
Now that people might be given an actual tool to self-police, you guys run screaming.
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That isn’t what that tool will do. Its giving the mob pitchforks. Vanilla WAS self policed, it doesn’t need weaponized censorship because Blizz is slashing staff.
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Mat, I ask you as a conservative myself; what would compel you to post something of that nature on an in game public channel?
And hear I was thinking classic wow would be a nice break from that. lol my goodness.
We tried. They didn’t want to be part of our community. They just wanted to be in their own bubble and didn’t care what us roleplayers thought.
Again, there’s a lot of evidence still on the forums, on reddit, on youtube. All you are doing is showing complete willfull ignorance to that.
Sorry, but you are defending them while also telling us that we can’t and shouldn’t do anything about it, because “They were having fun!” at the expense of other people. Yeah, that’s why those people chose an RP server, so that other people like this would go somewhere else.
Did you forget that’s the point of an RP server?
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The systems in place literally did nothing except respond long after the fact. Which means it is not a good system.
Blizzard can’t and won’t police their game. Theirs is and always has been entirely a reactive system, and right-click reporting is far faster and efficient than the ones before.
Asmongold’s response was “We own Moon Guard now” which he posted to the Moon Guard and General forum, before that got deleted. Soda didn’t care. The other streamers simply said that they don’t control their followers and denied wrongdoing.
I’m sorry, but you did forget that RP servers are intended for roleplaying? There used to be rules for that sort of thing - naming, behavior, etc.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/7dhnlu/project_60_has_exploded_harassment_on_moon_guard/
Here’s one person who went about telling people that Project 60 made Moon Guard a better place and that they wanted special attention, despite the above:
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You’re assuming there’s a mob intent on censorship.
youre assuming there isnt one.
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