If they brought back 2H frost, but kept more or less the same rotation, but slower with larger burst, would you be happy? Or would you prefer a completely different kind of playstyle?
if we can make them change oblit to full frost. bring back deseases and outbreak to apply blood plague and crypt fever and HB to maintain them.
oblit has a 50% change to consume them while doing 12% per desease more damage and KM doesnt consume them
another burst idea i have is HB has a charge feature where by holding the button down you use a rune does X more damage per rune
with raise ghoul coming back maybe corpse explosion being used on him some kind of burst
oh soul reaper exacute with if it doesnt kill you get some haste. if it does even more haste
as for DW the mechanics of oblit are tranferd over to FS along with KM on FS and oblits damage is lowered
As the key complaints from a lot of frost dks seems to be how little their runeblades hit for compared to magic. This is actually class fantasy because blood dks and UH dks also do little to no damage with their runeblades. Talk about expansion timings!
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You would still need some kind of ability like Might of the Frozen Wastes to do that larger burst since Obliterate isnt calculated by weapon damage but attack power.
Yes, frost doesnt do as much with its core strikes. They are actually quite low and 2h wouldnt fix it since they are based on attack power now. I think the core of the spec should be the focus and not the talents. People are using BoS because of how much damage it does.
With 8500 str its 23k damage per tick non crit, while obliterate consumes 2 runes and is listed to do around 10k with that same str level before you calculate in armor.
Its not really a 2h issue, its a spec issue.
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you say numbers i say class fantasy
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I need a two handed sword.
I need Obliterate to feel meaningful.
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This.
10 char
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At least Unholy has a trait that massively increases the damage of Festering Strike so it hits like Arms Warrior, and has cleave for Scourge Strike. Frost Has neither of those. It just inferior by design in all instances.
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Yeah, pretty much would be.
I’ll still always not like BoS, but my distaste for that will be far overpowered by having a big sword as Frost again.
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I really want 2h back. But if i have to choose btwn them making our spec actually good, or 2h. Im choosing the spec.
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Don’t let Kelliste back you into his False Dichotomy. It isn’t one or the other. Blizzard has repeatedly proven (no matter how many times Kelliste lies about it) that they can balance both.
(Incase you don’t know what a False Dichotomy is ((and I’m not trying to speak down to you, but Kelliste has been using this fallacy a lot)) I’ll link it here.)
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There is something to be said about resources and how they are spent. If btwn the two, i would prefer they focus on getting the spec in a good and working state then deal with adding 2h from there to to a spec that is flushed out. Vs adding 2h and trying to fix our borked spec.
Adding things to something broken still keeps it broken, fix first then add.
Blizz is notorious for bad balancing and implementation. lets not make it to hard for them.
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This is the first expansion we’ve had in years that one of the main balancing devs (and infact, THE main balancing dev) is playing our class. I’m not worried about our class not getting balanced.
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Is he currently playing it? How long? If hes been on it for a while, that wouldn’t make me feel any better since frost is still MEH in pvp and unh is NS spam in pvp. Maybe with 8.3 or 9 we will see something significant. Heres to hoping. I also feel that our naysayers would be more on board with 2h if our spec wasnt in a crap shoot.
Then theres always the people who just dont like 2h and dont want it back.
https://www.wowhead.com/news=296035/world-of-warcraft-group-interview-recap-torghast-level-squish-flying-pathfinder
… For instance, I main a Death Knight and have been Blood for everything, dungeons, raids, world quest, everything, so I’ve been bugging the designer team about what will this change mean for me and they say that now class identifying abilities like Death Coil, Chains of Ice, or Death and Decay will be available for all specs. Similarly for all classes.
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Prove it. You haven’t been able to yet.
If we are using this. He mains blood. Not that blood is garbage, but we are def not a go to tank.
While i agree we need things returnes to classes. Im less excited for DC and DnD (if it’s not modified and improved for frost in some way) to return. Again flush out and fix the spec then return 2h when we can.
There’s a billionty patch notes that prove it. They don’t change. They’re always there. I have regularly directed you to them.
Listen, classes get multiple people working on them based on two things:
- Amount of players playing the class.
- Amount of dev interest.
THE lead dev plays our class. We aren’t boned for Shadowlands, my friend.
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Those patch notes just prove that frost was behind. If they had to buff abilities that aren’t exclusive to weapon type then it’s just a general spec buff. Try again.