Ideal time to bail a non GDKP raid, as a carry?

You claim other people are green, but you sound greenest of all! Welcome to classic wow, is this your first time?

If so, let me be the first to inform you that in many raids, you might not get any loot. If this bothers you, Retail is available with the same subscription at no additional cost.

Well blizzard did say that it was facilitating RMT and encouraging it. They are the ones with the actual data on it. Its sad that your system is being banned since it seems to have been working out for you and I am sure your pugs were vetting people to make sure they weren’t buying gold and certainly weren’t there to be carried for large payouts. Only the best of the best for you.

There is a big difference between having a chance of no loot, and knowing 100% for sure you are going to get absolutely nothing in exchange for the next 1-2 hours of pain (bonus, it will cost you gold in repairs/consumes).

At no point have I ever denied that GDKP involves or encourages RMT in some way.
I am mocking people on this forum who throw out made up numbers such as ‘80% of attendees buy gold’ with literally zero substance as a means to justify their point.

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Getting no loot is normal (payout from GDKP is nice though)

But that’s not what happens as a carry in pugs. you spend your GOLD to carry players that don’t know how to play, that don’t spend on consumes, and have to fight versus them for the last item you need while passing the stuff you already have.

This is why carries will stop grouping with low tier players.

In GDKPs you need buyers because you want every item to go to someone that will pay for it to increase the pot.

Without GDKP it is better to DE 80% of the drops than to take a bad player along and waste time carrying them.

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Exactly this, there is no benefit to bring along a noob who can and will fail mechanics and wipe your raid.
It’s a net negative and often better to just go a man down and DE the gear.

A wonderful modification to the “social structure” of the game!

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Citation needed. Prove otherwise.

There’s plenty of us who don’t care at this point in the game. I’ll collect BiS and parse when we hit 60. 10 man BFD? Not so much, I went in there three times, got a few pieces and I’m good. Place is boring, I’m not going back, and I’m not going to worry about any metas while leveling.

You’re just not as high-tier as you think you are and you really need to get a grip lol

Also raiders will want OS gear, or just stuff for meme sets, etc. Without GDKP it is much better to raid with same crew and not allow non-geared / non-top parse players to ever join.

One bad players can demoralize a good one, and then you lose an actual gamer and have to replace them.

In GDKPs none of that is a worry it is nice to run with new / low geared players since you need buyers and need to fill raid with people who lack all potential drops. It is much more social overall.

and gdkp wont exist at 60 either. meaning far less motivation for geared players to attend any kind of PUGs outside of HRs which benefit them.
good luck parsing in a raid full of people who need all the gear of the raid they are attending.

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I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue? My point is that the amount of carries (and thus total runs) will be reduced relative to GDKPs being allowed.

It will only get worse if the content becomes reasonably tuned or difficult - BFD was easier than the 5 man version lol.

You do xD. You just tried to circumvent the forum rules just like you will try to do with a new way to charge for raid gear. You will eventually get banned and everyone will laugh at you. Including me :grinning:

I imagine RMT will still occur and perhaps blizzard will revert their decision later. I feel neither pity nor remorse for it going away as I never partook of the system, if blizzard says they decided to do away with this loot system because it was causing RMT to happen then it must’ve been A LOT of money trading hands.

Its probably exciting for them as they get to test out new systems for policing policy. They get to test out their new system in real time within controlled phases.

I will literally never get banned because I have never bought gold and never will.
I also will stop GDKP the moment it becomes against TOS on feb 8th.

I enjoy my account and don’t want to get it banned, if you don’t believe me when I am telling you directly i do not buy gold then that is your mental problem to overcome.

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Anyone playing this game is a bot. ban them.

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Of a Classic raid?

Huh.

The best way to not buy gold is to carry GDKPs lol. I’m not sure why that’s so hard for people to comprehend.

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Hope you enjoyed your stay. Cya.

Have fun with that. People will just shrug it off and or blacklist you.

If you wish to read into the subtext of their announcement, the main reason behind the GDKP ban is that they believe it “erodes the traditional social structures of the game” or something, they listed this ahead of the RMT point.

For people like me, who cannot guild raid, this point is hilarious. non-GDKP raids are vastly less social, more toxic and conflict ridden. my ‘social structure’ is compromised by this change.

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