Ideal Horde Council set up

And yet that is never explicitly addressed in the narrative. These Eternal Ones are the perfect opportunity to go beat Odyn for what he’s done and recognize Helya deserves sympathy.

Especially Archon given Odyn was usurping her Purpose and she should recognized she failed to give Devos sympathy.

Otherwise the narrative handwaves away this real and ugly trope.

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She locked him up for over ten thousand years.
If it’s wrong to permanently imprison Sylvanas, why is it okay to permanently punish Odyn?
:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

I still feel like you’re giving a bit too much weight to a cartoon wicked witch.

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And the narrative during Legion framed Odyn as the bigger victim over Helya.

You know it did.

Nah, I’m giving it the same weight that in-game book is giving it. Book is self evident in the themes it is explicitly invoking.

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Well, because …Helyja has done a lot of a lot of a lot of crap in the meantime, which is why this “victimhood”…definitely got a perpetrator profile, she was a perpetrator and did horrible things to innocent people.

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We were introduced to Helya after she had been an evil villain for over ten thousand years. I don’t agree that Odyn is painted as a victim, but the vrykul souls she steals sure are.

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There aren’t as many Taunka and Hozen as there are Vulpera.

I’m a simple guy.

I eagerly welcome the Alliance having the psychic hydromancer ninja samurai fish people.

I simply desire the immortal monkey with a sense of humor who rules the other monkeys who dance and throw bananas.

Tauren, Taunka, and the Osul tribe of Yaungol should form an Earthmother Confederacy.

I will graciously embrace the short furries if I am granted this.

Odyn sucks but that doesn’t mean I want to be Helya’s friend lmao, she sucks too.

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I don’t care too much about Odyn outside of the idea that he and Helya are constantly at war.
Give me a buddycop adventure with Thorim any day, though.
https://i.imgur.com/PdV3mN0.jpg

Nah, Derek Proudmoore is a missed opportunity for a WoW-Davey-Jones

Helya given to the Forsaken while Odyn is given to the Humans (so Vrykul go Alliance while Kvaldir go Horde) would allow Derek Proudmoore to lead a spooky ghost ship army under Dread Admiral Tattersail.

Alliance gets its Viking Valhalla Angel Girl theme, Horde gets Spooky Dave Jones Zombie Ghost Ship theme.

Derek Proudmoore I wanted

Derek Proudmoore I got

The Derek Proudmoore I wanted:

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added some more stuff

Basically in an ideal universe:

  1. Dalaran is “neutral” but Alliance leaning
  2. Dreadscar Rift is “neutral” but Horde leaning
  3. Sunreavers are Dalaran Horde, Silver Covenant is Dalaran Alliance
  4. Darkfire Enclave is Dreadscar Horde, Slaughtered Lamb is Dreadscar Alliance
  5. Illidari and Pandaren are “true” neutral

Sad nobody has commented on the Gnome government.

Basically since they’re an engineering academic society, all of Gnomedom is divided into engineering fields: Medical Corps, Electrical Corps, Weapons & Defense Corps, etc, and each is headed by a “Vice Tinker” (ergo High Tinker Mekkatorque).

So the entire government is just an academic engineering brain trust.

I’m still holding out for Illidari as a third faction. Lords of outland. Fel orcs, blood elves, broken draenei and naga unite! :stuck_out_tongue:

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Alterac representatives but no Lordaeron representatives? Even with Turalyon around?

No offense but, uh, it’s pretty clear which faction you put more effort into.

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The Alliance side is literally two times the size of the Horde side lmao get over yourself

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You remembered every single Orc, Troll, and Tauren tribe but didn’t even remember every human kingdom.

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Cuz Calia claims the throne in this scenario, in case you didn’t spot “Queen”.

Lordaeron has no living claimants; the humans resent Calia for claiming the throne here.

But hey, you can headcanon Turalyon as annoyed about it in this scenario.

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I mean it’s your fanfiction so you can do what you want I guess, but your vision for the Alliance sucks, especially in light of your arrangements for the Forsaken.

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I give you the Valkyr, the Valajar, ALL the Living Vrykul Clans, all the Alliance Pirates, all of Ravenholdt, Dalaran, the entire Conclave, the Silver Hand, all of the Jinyu, the entire Cenarion Circle, and the Moonguard, and you still want more lmao

you’re unfathomably greedy it’s ridiculous

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