I watched 2 new players quit pvp in real time

[Tidepodzxo-moon-guard]

Who was in your group that game

You had a premade on your team I know the people

Staarry/YTZ/Robin are together

Massive bgs rats I see them all the time in the same group

[Snowcrest-cenarius]

@Bilbodragonz-tichondrius

so to be clear you don’t think being in a premade is an advantage? Or you do?

Sure, it’s an advantage. Just not what you think it is.

[Oozo-archimonde]

@Tidepodzxo-moon-guard

Who was in your group that game

You had a premade on your team I know the people

Just me and the DK you hate. I recognize Ytz, who has high exp but I never see him with the same people. One of the healers on our side seemed like he was with him, but the others didn’t seem to have any achievements.

Anyway, even if there was a premade on our side… Ytz died very fast in the middle and was removed very quickly. Jbty won middle, but the people they had at their bases were not good players so they had nowhere to take the flag and ended up feeding it to us at DR (which we duo capped instead of going to mid).

The point I was trying to make is that a five man premade can struggle if enough of the rest of their team isn’t that good. Especially in a fifteen man map.

[Tidepodzxo-moon-guard]

@Oozo-archimonde

Just me and the DK you hate

Lmao

@Oozo-archimonde

Anyway, even if there was a premade on our side… Ytz died very fast in the middle and was removed very quickly. The won middle, but the people they had at their bases were not good players so they had nowhere to take the flag and ended up feeding it to us at DR (which we duo capped instead of going to mid).

Sounds like a fun game I was just curious sorry

YTZ/Staarry/robin are usually together

@Oozo-archimonde

The point I was trying to make is that a five man premade can struggle if enough of the rest of their team isn’t that good.

100% true

Roxeni the rogue (https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/us/tichondrius/roxeni/pvp) is a perfect example of someone who is good enough to take on a premade solo

Even when you’re winning teamfight, you still gotta do the objective. Being really good about knowing when it’s a good time to run a flag, and take advantage of the “not so good” players is how I lose most of my games

[Oozo-archimonde]

@Tidepodzxo-moon-guard

Massive bgs rats I see them all the time in the same group

He always seemed like the type of player that would be doing premades, but I just never saw him with the same people. However, you know names and alt names much better than I do.

This gives me a chance to post a super sweet ice wall that splits the enemy healers.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/983518327542521939/1144821369561956402/Nice_Wall.jpg

[Oozo-archimonde]

@Tidepodzxo-moon-guard

Roxeni the rogue

Yes, very good rogue. I’ve fought them a few times. Of course, sub rogues are a nightmare as is. Almost oneshot them with the enhancement shaman burrow burst cheese, but cheat death + healer.

[Tidepodzxo-moon-guard]

Lol YTZ is premading in that game too.

He’s with Ganjini, and kruder and a healer 100%

Kruders on my friends list lol

@Oozo-archimonde

Yes, very good rogue. I’ve fought them a few times. Of course, sub rogues are a nightmare as is. Almost oneshot them with the enhancement shaman burrow burst cheese, but cheat death + healer.

He’s so incredible at not dying and being as annoying as possible. He does RBG’s with us ocassionally lol. In our discord, super friendly dude. Very french and has a SUPER deep voice lol

EASILY the best rogue that does randoms

@Oozo-archimonde

This gives me a chance to post a super sweet ice wall that splits the enemy healers.

please no

(funny wall but still)

xD

@Oozo-archimonde

enhancement shaman burrow burst cheese,

I swear you would enjoy playing with me.

Dark arch + pi makes memes so much more fun

[Bilbodragonz-tichondrius]

@Oozo-archimonde

@Bilbodragonz-tichondrius

being in a premade is an advantage?

It is an advantage as I said before. Since the premade is bringing in five good players (most importantly, the healers) they have significantly lowered the possibility of having a critical mass of fail on their side. This is very significant on ten man maps and a bit less so on fifteen man maps for obvious reasons.

Let’s assume that there is a 50/50 (feeling generous tonight) chance that a PUG entering a BG is an experienced and geared player as opposed to an inexperienced and undergeared player.

For a ten man map with a good preform the expected number of inexperienced players would be 2.5 (so let’s say two or three). For a full PUG (or a weak premade) on the other side the expected number of inexperienced players would be five.

Inexperienced and undergeared players get removed from the fights very quickly, so with this hypothetical percentage you would end up with what feels like 5v7s or 5v8s. And that leads to GY camping.

Yeah man and those dudes in the GY being camped by a coordinated team who are better, more experienced and likely better geared; how many keep queuing? How many never come back? In your math a team with a premade is twice as likely to GY camp so it’s a modifier for bad times for everyone else. Population is dying, there’s no motivation to learn WoW PvP and lots of ways to instantly hate it - what are we disagreeing about here

[Holycow-uldaman]

I don’t get how players (in this thread) can enjoy such one-sided games.

“GGs everyone! So amazing!”

[Çharming-stormrage]

Lmao did they really say that

[Holycow-uldaman]

GGgggs in chat and raid warning. Who knows what they were saying in Discord or Community chat.

It definitely was not a good game.

[Tidepodzxo-moon-guard]

That looks incredibly boring

[Holycow-uldaman]

If only they had managed to get in 35 of their players. The other team would have had zero HKs!

[Tidepodzxo-moon-guard]

Rookie syncers

gotta vote to kick the pugs!! come on!!

[Oozo-archimonde]

Bilbo,

I think you accurately identified the problem when you said this:

Pretty much every other game has a personal MMR - even for unranked - that ensures relentless blowouts don’t happen

But, now you are kind of fixated on premades. Premades are always going to exist. There is zero chance that Blizzard is going to remove the ability of friends to play together. However, there is a chance (although small) that they can do something with a MMR system that improves the quality of the BGs.

I mean, there is a problem. It is a bad problem. But, I think a lot of people are fixated on the wrong things.

[Oozo-archimonde]

@Holycow-uldaman

can enjoy such one-sided games.

Blood DK representing for alliance. Top damage, almost certainly top healing and tied for top on killing blows.

[Kitanana-sargeras (Kitanana)]

cuz its only a game its epics its not the end of the world yall are so dramatic

[Opalshine-barthilas]

Exactly! its only a game so you wouldn’t be against making sure cheaters who sync q are punished or the system restructured so its not deterring new and returning players ?

[Snowcrest-cenarius]

@Bilbodragonz-tichondrius

Yeah man and those dudes in the GY being camped by a coordinated team who are better, more experienced and likely better geared; how many keep queuing? How many never come back? In your math a team with a premade is twice as likely to GY camp so it’s a modifier for bad times for everyone else. Population is dying, there’s no motivation to learn WoW PvP and lots of ways to instantly hate it - what are we disagreeing about here

waaaahhhh!!!

[Velviita-windseeker]

Why didn’t you leave if it is so despicable?