I Was Wrong

if you want a shorter queue then get on a alliance toon.

I’m sorry but with the alliance losing more games and all the glad players and top pvper’s being horde the ONLY thing we have is a shorter queue.

its a slap in the face that horde can get that too whenever they please. While I understand people can strategize on both MOST don’t

I didn’t set out to be upset at merc mode it was after many many many losses I started tracking merc players and took notice they were the ones not grouping,sitting on roads,afk defending and typing in chat that alliance sucks.

I’ve had groups of 10 players where 6 were horde and they cost us the game and 3afked out.

That really sucks.

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Yes it can. and if you’re worried about it you more then likely know you fall in it.

This is the same logic as telling Alliance to go Horde if they want to raid or win BGs. Alliance always say that they shouldn’t have to switch factions, and I agree here. You shouldn’t have to switch factions to do things you want to do. Mercing provides a temporary solution for asininely long queues.

That does suck. I’m not trying to say that the faction imbalance doesnt suck because it does. But it sounds like people have an issue with Blizzard and are taking it out on players, and I disagree with that stance.

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Things that qualify for a ban need to be well defined and objective regardless of who is reviewing the report. If you think having a broad definition that allows subjectivity depending on the reviewer is okay, then that is a problem.

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Personally I think that merc mode should be queueable in the BG tab and always up for both players so its always fair.

If horde can queue as alliance for a shorter queue I should be able to trade my shorter queue to be horde.

I think that is the best long term way to fix this for both sides.

My concern is this. Communication is subjective, is it strictly negative communication or a lack of it? Can I group up with someone from Quel’Thalas who doesn’t speak English and vote him/her a 1 star because they only speak Spanish? If I joined a group that only spoke spanish can they vote me 1 start because I only speak English? Skill, we have logs for that. Cooperation is subjective and I would probably assume is largely relevant on timing or not timing a key to most people. Easy to be forgiving when you timed a key, much harder when you don’t.

It doesn’t appear that you have to provide evidence. That means I could easily download the addon, group up with someone and 1 star them the whole way through, without uploaded chatlogs, or logs for performance this addon is fairly useless.

I agree. I don’t understand why it isn’t always up. You already answered my next question: I was going to ask if you would show the same dislike for Alliance using merc.

I mean no you can’t. It be awesome if you can because then it can be programmed for.

Toxic is as ambiguous as a term as tryhard and as casual. It means whatever the one using it as well as the ones hearing/reading it wants (ergo the nonstop bickering).

For example, I find it toxic to ban people from a BG simply for using a feature Blizzard themselves made…now if they prove they are only there to troll or otherwise cause “their team” to lose, then sure…but I get why there is an argument that people constantly on the losing side then don’t like someone from the winning side also getting the “sole perk” of the losing side…and given the logic that the majority of a group has the right to further mold the group to their liking…well…

But I’m still allowed to disagree and form groups based off my own values and criteria.

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Yeah this is why it’s a problem when the developer lists toxicity as an actionable offense and refuses to define it.

Tbh i was horde when merc mode was added and i very much had the same dislike for it then as i do now.

The point honestly has little to do with faction and more with faction has the most control over pvp…I hated it when it was alliance and I hate its horde.

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Again, that is a Blizzard problem though. But the Void Elf above said that they remove all mercs without a second thought, and that’s a problematic stance.

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Did some people seriously think Blizzard was going to do anything about this?
It’s like they’re new or something lmfao. :clap:

Question for you then, because I proposed the same to Moon.

How do you feel about Alliance mercing in order to increase their win rate?

You know what toxic behavior is and you don’t need it defined. Toxic is anything that makes other players dislike playing with you or you make a scene.

calling people slurs or names, refusing to help teammates, griefing, talking negatively when you should be doing something and ruining the enjoyment for other players.

If you are worried about being labeled as toxic and reported for it, reviewed by a game master and then banned.

thats ALOT of work from other players and even the game itself just to bann you. so if you get banned its working

I’m not trying to argue this addon is absolutely perfect and there is 0 means to abuse or otherwise pollute the data. I full well know it will.

I just also happen to know my own self and my own standards (as well as human nature). I know people are FAR more likely to complain rather than praise so naturally any feedback system is more likely to skew negative than positive.

What I’d be looking for though is to see how many and how frequent I see people commenting that the person is a raging donkeyhat and/or someone abandoning keys…because I don’t want either of those people in my groups if I can avoid it. I am perfectly find abandoning a key or downgrading it but it is based off the group’s decision and is made clear before a run starts (and yes I do specify every run)…but I can’t make someone stay for a run marked as completion that goes sideways just like I can’t be sure anyone signing up to my runs isn’t going to rage out if someone makes a mistake and/or isn’t just going to abandon the key “for the lawls”.

This at least offers SOMETHING and I still wager far more “bad” people will get histories than otherwise good people who get in the occasional bad group (and enough so to justify making comments).

I do wish though Blizzard would give us an “official means”…but it is obvious they won’t so I can’t blame the community for filling the void with their own solution…imperfect or not as it may be.

100% unfair if horde cant queue for merc mode aswell.

the unfairness and my main issue is how 1faction can have it when they already control most pvp when I think both should always have it.

it would also even out our queue time and make it harder for 1 faction to control all of pvp since there’s no effort to change sides.

Once that’s in place we may see both faction be truly 100% equal and get rid of most of our issues.

Toxic is 100% subjective. What you consider toxic may not for someone else. If you are going to ban someone for it, then it needs to be defined.

You keep asking if I’m worried. No I personally am not. Are you trying to imply something?

The weird thing is, I think Blizzard did that intentionally to make it fair. It just didn’t work out the way they intended. They wanted to balance PvP by allowing the more played faction to queue for an underplayed faction, hence balancing the scales.

Idealistically yes, but let’s be honest with ourselves. The faction balance won’t ever be corrected; at least not fully. There is no attempt in Blizzard to make it so.

I agree but for someone to be banned 1 person can’t just report you for it. the toxic behavior has to be seen my MANY players and a game master for a bann to follow.

What part of that do you not understand? its not a 1v1 between players its 1 person and a group of people over time coming to the same conclusion as others about that 1 person.

What game master? We are talking about an add-on developer and their moderators.