It is absolutely welfare gear, because it is completely disproportionate to the (lack of) difficulty involved.
Not once have you ever actually FINISHED a Mythic raid, so please spare us your grandiose claims.
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If you don’t like M+ then just say that, however plenty of people enjoy it. M+ is getting more popular, while raiding is becoming less popular.
This is my alt smart guy.
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i don’t care about any pvp, rated or not. the same argument could be made about them spending any resources on pvp.
You are reading the data incorrectly.
These stats are per character.
Many people have lots of characters but only push on 1 or 2 per season. 30-40% of characters is insanely high when you figure how many max level characters most people have.
The estimates of M+ participation were that it is about 5x as popular as raiding in DF, comparing characters that complete a +10 (pre squish) to normal raid first boss kills.
M+ is the most popular end game content in all of wow and it’s not close.
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Im confused as to what you are trying to claim here?
Are you saying that because only on average, 35.5% of people got key stone explorer in DF, that its not popular? 35.5% is a very large amount of the population to be doing it because your numbers are very skewed.
If you are looking at JUST people who have those achievements then you need to redo it. You need to search for people who have the achievement for hitting max level for that exp and for keystone explorer, because that number you are looking at is counting people who are not even max level, which there is a large chunk of players that never reach max level because they play super casually.
Rerun your numbers.
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If I had to guess maybe a combined 15% of the player base actually does M+, Raid, or Endgame PVP.
What classes are suffering in raid because of M+?
PvP doesn’t make sense to even include. It has its own tuning knobs and talents.
That said, don’t like M+? Run Delves. It’s blizzards answer for people who don’t like M+.
Also this. It should mirror pvp rewards. The mythic raid appearance should also only come from Mythic raid.
Maybe to you.
Blizz needs to keep making moves to where other groups don’t need to do M+ like raiders, but they’re inching, very slowly, in the right direction. The challenge is doing it without screwing the people who like to do both.
Only way to do it where you don’t have to run both is to make separate gear, but that’s a pain for everyone involved, pvp it makes sense, but a lot of people wouldn’t like the extra space for 2 or more pve sets
Achievements are account-wide, smart guy.
This gets thrown around all the time, I’m not convinced for a second it’s the only answer and never will be.
It’s the same for Heroic raid too. A lot of players here on the forums tend to forget that the majority of WoW players don’t do endgame content and have no interest in endgame content. I find that’s true in most MMOs I play.
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You can actually turn that off, I did it by accident once
He hasn’t turned it off.
All I said was I do Mythic+ and Mythic Raids and I prefer M+. What is your issues with me having a preference. You are the one making this toxic. I could show you my 99 parses, but I won’t.
This would have one effect only: nearly every raiding guild would die because the majority of the players would choose m+ if forced to pick between the two and never look back.
Even groups where the majority prefer raid probably couldn’t withstand a 30-40% participation drop.
M+ isn’t just 5x more popular than raiding, it literally keeps raiding guilds alive by allowing players to do harder m+ content as an outlet without leaving their aotc guilds.
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I don’t have a problem with you preferring M+, what I have a problem with is you claiming:
When actually finishing an activity is usually considered something you do. It would be more proper to say “As someone who does M+ and Heroic Raids” but you didn’t do that.
And THEN, when I pointed that out, you tried to dodge the issue with this:
As if I wouldn’t go through your entire achievement history going back to your first AOTC on Will of the Emperor, and note (a) you have account-wide achievements turned on, and (b) not once have you completed a Mythic raid when current.
Your preferences are your own, but don’t try to mislead or make exaggerated claims, please.
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Not even. It’s just the same GD folks that complain about every expansion despite buying it and being subbed.
If you are talking about heroic raiding, they all pretty much died 4 expansions ago. Most people that play at an aotc do it for fun not really for gear, there is no point when m+ exist.
Mythic raiders would not really be affected much by the divide, it would probably increase participation because there is a lot less time you need to commit outside the raid.
Ah. I get it now. You are one of those who thinks only those who get full Mythic clears have valid opinions. Really no point in engaging further with you then.
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Wouldn’t that inflate the percentages?
This is how people talk themselves into believing the earth is flat.
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