I smell a change coming

Hey, I’d like to leave things alone as much as possible. However, the way people are chosing to play this game are driving changes. I’m not saying I’m for these changes… only pointing out that they’re going to happen.

Tu quoque isn’t an argument.

“Stupid peasants!! Learn to stay within your boundaries that aren’t really boundaries!!”

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How many Horde Pre-made teams have you seen in AV? Something’s preventing them from coordinating such things. My guess - extremely long queue times coupled with a deserter debuff.

Idk, this seems more like a “I don’t like this, so you need to take it away from everyone else also” type of situation.

Anyways… it’s not happening

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I don’t know, I just find it absolutely mind blowing that there is actually a debate and complaints that players are being social in a social game.

It is hypocritical! Be social! Until being social makes me lose BGs, then ban players who are being social!

Seriously, the Horde are not really looking very good at this point. It is beginning to look like all they want is a game where the Alliance are basically their punching bags and make sure that there is no chance they have an advantage or chance to win. And if the Alliance do find something, they want Blizzard to remove it and ban them.

When being social is now the soapbox that the Horde are standing on and complaining about, when have you gone too far?

No reason the Alliance do not seem like they like PvP. Every time they work hard to find strategies to win games, the Horde complain and get it taken away. What is the point?

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Could you possibly be any more obtuse?

And now the name-calling has begun. Great contribution to the discussion as always Nocht.

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Someone from Heartseeker Alliance advocating harsher penalties for desertion.

The memes just write themselves at this point.

So, being social is the key to securing landslide wins that end with a demoralizing GY camp? If that’s the only difference, I’d challenge these folks who are defending the making of their own pre-made teams to queue up solo and encourage everyone the land with to get in the default voice chat. In theory, that should net the same results, yeah? You’ll meet more people that way, too.

I can bet that communication and coordination is the key and that is what is happening here.

So during that 1 min before a BG begins, if the entire team all joined the same WoW built-in voice comm and had that same level of coordination, I bet they would perform similarly, yes.

No one need take you up on your inane challenge when you haven’t shown how they’re doing anything wrong in the first place. There’s literally no imperative to listen to someone who says you should do something different just because, and refusing to listen to such a silly demand proves nothing more than the demand being silly.

They won’t take me up on that challenge because they know I’m right.

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Tautologies aren’t arguments either.

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So you’re admitting I’m right?

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No.

Tautologies are statements that are always true. At least, that’s what they teach in symbolic logic and math classes.

:man_shrugging:

horder players are the worst type of players that ever existed 100%

They’re valid, not sound, thus not true, in that whatever form of “argument” they purport to bring is literally nothing more than the law of identity. A = A is merely the law of identity, but it doesn’t mean anything by itself.

Claiming yourself right by your own predetermined measure:

  • If they take my offer they’ll see the error of their ways and I’ll be right
  • If they don’t take my offer they prove I’m right

None of this follows and is entirely self-referential. It isn’t an argument, it is just Cauchy saying that Cauchy’s claims are true according to Cauchy.

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That’s the silliest idea ever. Get banned for grouping for pvp haaaa

I’ve claimed that my statement is true, and providing folks with an avenue to prove that it’s false.