aint no way
Yes, the way you feel about MSV now is how many of us felt about RSV before it got redone into a melee spec.
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Yeah but it’s melee. .
Make it ranged Sv and we will play it
devs said they aren’t changing a spec’s role again
maybe they can add a 4th spec for you guys
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So, unfortunately one of the issues with this is that the core of the old ranged spec is explosive shot, Which currently does not have its old functionality and is at the bottom of the base hunter tree. For a ranged survival to exist, explosive shot would need to be reworked or moved.
I once supported a 4th spec option for the disenfranchised RSV fans, but now I’m doubtful.
Considering the poor behavior of RSV-proponents and how they continually derail threads and provoke conflict on the forum, I feel as if they’ve only succeeded in politically isolating themselves.
What the RSV fan truly does fear, isn’t the back-and-forth 1000+ post arguement. Why is that? Because these debates still serve to keep RSV alive in the collective conscience of the forum.
What RSV-proponents actually fear is silence–to be ignored.
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Not really a big deal, if Blizz ever went through all the trouble of making survival ranged again it’s not like removing ES from the class tree would be a big deal. Should never have been put there in the first place.
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were people constantly complaining that RSV should be reworked into a melee spec?
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Yes but do you think taking explosive shot away from MM and BM is a good idea? I’d argue no, unless it stays where it is and then gets an additional modifier or something similar to how empower rune weapon can get two charges.
BM doesn’t use ES, but anyway yes it was stupid to give RSV’s most iconic ability to other specs.
I will agree that it probably wont fit in BM, But marksman currently uses explosive shot as a core part of it’s AoE burst with Salvo. What I am trying to say is that MM would also need to be reworked if explosive shot is taken away. This is why it seems a tad unreasonable.
MM didn’t have ES for the vast majority of its life so I don’t see removing the ability from it as a big deal. No point in debating it anyway as RSV ain’t coming back. Blizz is nothing if not good at doubling and tripling down on their bad decisions.
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Yes, but you are asking to rework what is here right now Mikuki. So I am going off of what is here now and available to hunters at the given time.
And sure, however what is a bad decision to you is a good decision to others that enjoy the melee variant. A lot of players will hit the its an objectively bad decision and a failed experiment COUGH COUGH but i do think with some actual solid reworking the hunter class can get a solid playstyle for both melee and ranged specs that is enjoyable to most players.
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Survival is what Beastmaster should have been and could still be.
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This is an extremely minor issue with multiple ways of approaching it. They could remove Explosive Shot from the class tree and Salvo from MM, or they can continue to have it shared and have a separate new signature shot for ranged SV (e.g. Incendiary Shot, or even Wildfire Bomb as a signature). I would prefer SV kept the focus on explosives (so Salvo would be a better fit for ranged SV), but the modern Explosive Shot is something entirely different to the Survival one and MM doesn’t depend on ES outside of Salvo so it isn’t a complex problem.
The ranged part would be enjoyable to most players (and it seems a lot of players do enjoy it). The melee will always be niche by default unless you force people to play it with extremely high damage tuning, which is unhealthy game design.
Pretty much, yeah. The primary goal is not allowing ranged Survival to be swept under the rug, which is what Blizzard wants.
There was some demand but it was a very niche suggestion. It was more up to the whims of the Legion class developers who were infatuated with melee combat over ranged. However once they announced it people fiercely defended it, especially before Legion’s launch where it wasn’t immediately obvious that it was going to be an extremely unpopular spec (there were warning signs, though).
In 7.0 prepatch you had this interesting parallel of taking >100 downvotes for saying anything negative about SV (the forums had downvotes back then) while there were almost no SV players whatsoever in game. Today, while people still generally like to defend SV especially becuase it’s perceived as the poor downtrodden underdog, it’s much more socially acceptable to view it negatively.
A huge amount of the spec’s defence online comes from people who have no intention of playing it, or people who play one very briefly. They just like the fact that it’s there.
Uh, no. BM is fine, thanks. We do not need explosives and poisons in the kit, and we certainly don’t need to be melee.
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Well, thankfully Ion said roles aren’t changing anymore, or we could be having all these discussions about switching BM to be melee.
Hopefully, one day Hunter’s will get a 4th spec for you munitions posters
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Yeah, no. RSV and BM were and are completely different and should stay that way.
just like SV and the fan-made munitions spec. they’re completely different and should stay that way 
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Wish it never got made to be a ranged spec for that brief time tbh
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Melee should have been a optional gameplay style for both Survival and Beast Mastery Hunters.
Few talent swaps and you could play SV or BM as a melee spec. Both would be optional, and would not be loosing a play style only gaining more choices.
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