That’s not what a shaped charge is.
Mainly because you can’t throw a shaped charge, because you need to mold it into the appropriate shape to breach a door or wall.
Because throwing it would remove your ability to control how the explosive is oriented, this defeating entirely the purpose of shaping the charge (and the blast) in the first place.
bro its a fantasy game lmao
Ok here’s what I don’t get.
Is it a fantasy game, so we should have suspension of disbelief for explosive mechanics, but should maybe understand that the fantasy of “throw an explosive at your pet” is counterintuitive to the rest of the class?
Or should we be ignoring the fantasy in favor of mechanics because “AoE doesn’t hit friendlies anyway”?
Or are we just ignoring everything that doesn’t agree with our preexisting opinions?
Sure if you are against this thats fine but its weird that everyone hyperfixates on bomb specifically when basically every class has this
Ashrynn implied it is thrown only from melee range. Nondriel’s correction was that it is thrown from at least melee range, which also has about 267% the distance Ashyrnn seemed to be thinking.
The mode (average) position a SV hangs around at is 8 meters away to bait mechanics unless needing to dodge a very fast conal AoE, etc. The bombs therefore tend to be thrown from a minimum of 8 meters away.
The disagreement was over common practice, not some technical constraint.
And machine-gunning / bazooka-ing your pet isn’t? Again, just wondering why WFB is supposed to be unique in that regard…
I used the term because somehow people keep insisting that coating someone in a flammable liquid that immediately ignites to rapidly burn them as its consumed is, itself, some sort of modern conventional explosive. The “dragonfire” is… naphtha. You’re effectively throwing fast-burning molotov cocktails, not… frag grenades.
If it is an “explosive” despite being simply a viscous flammable liquid that ignites on impact —which was why it was designed to carry on in a cone after the vessel breaks on impact— then the only explosive that creates a perfect cone like that… is a shaped charge.
No. Nondriel said outright, which I’ve quoted multiple times now, that WFB has a minimum range of 8yd.
There was no implication, there was no inference on my part, the dude straight up lied - he made an incorrect statement, easily disproven by looking at the tooltip for the ability. Stop defending that.
Then say “WFB is typically thrown from 8yd” not “WFB is thrown from minimum 8yd”. Those statements do not mean the same thing.
You’re not wrong, but I haven’t defended either of those abilities as being particularly logical, and both are optional talents deep in the class tree with no hooks to other abilities, while WFB is one of the three core abilities in MSV’s rotation.
I should have clarified that there’s no reason to be any closer than 8 yards and that’s on me for not using more precise language. there is no reason to be closer than 8 yards away, as that is the range of your melee abilities.
multishot is not an optional ability for BM. your entire AoE depends on it. you are shooting a mess of arrows right where your pet is. for MM if you are using volley, you are shooting a bunch of arrows right on top of all your allies. what about barbed shot being used on things without blood? how does that work
explain the logic. how do either of those make any more sense than wfb? why are we applying so much realism on WFB?
i don’t personally agree with the whole realism argument thing but it’s fine to discuss it if they scrutiny is applied equally. if it’s not applied equally, that’s the problem I have lol
Mate, if it’s about “core abilities”, how the heck does chucking snakes out of your barrel or firing a dozen bolts at once out of a crossbow pass the realism test? Those are both core abilities. The first is literally the first BM talent, which you are forced to take, while I’d love to see your overall AoE DPS without Multi-shot to activate Beast Cleave.
The goalposts keep moving but the lack of equal application remains.
And the difference between “SV melee range is 8 yards. We tend to hang out at max melee… (Accordingly, a better depiction of the situation you’re head-canoning would be that) WFB is thrown from a minimum of 8 yards away (not at their feet)” and “WFB has a minimum range of 8 yards” would plenty clear to anyone following their conversation and not actively skipping context / disconnecting the dots.
You avoided the context of a reply in order to make a pretty obvious misinterpretation of it, then called people liars for having allowed your misinterpretation.
Yes, he should have been clearer; had you actually cared to read the conversation, and/or didn’t purposely ignore its context, though, it would have been a non-issue. It’s certainly not worth calling an indefensible lie.
…The meaning was plenty obvious in its context.
I hate throwing bombs at my feet as much as I hated firing a Dark Ranger signature spell from a Rambo themed spec.
But hey it’s a game, not everything makes sense. At least bombs are somewhat on theme.
yup, this is the point. attempting to to apply realism to a game is just silly
I came back to the game like a month ago? lol stay salty on your alt though
Apparently applying Class Fantasy to a game is just silly. Personally I think they should replace arrows with Giant D****s. I mean as long as it does damage it doesn’t need to make any sense.
I mean, it was obviously a mistake, but here we are 8 years later with a spec thats “almost” dead, a spec that “its okey” for those who play it… a handful of people who are fighting head to head with MM and Aff Warlock for who is the least played spec in the entire game.
MSV was a mistake, but i doubt blizzard will ever admit that, or “the people who actually play it” would ever admit that. If the spec has been virtually dead sinde BFA and you go to the class forums and all you hear is “The spec is fine, it has no big issues, people who play it agrees with it”. Maybe is time to stop listening to those who still play it, and start listening to those who used to play it, to find out why almost noone plays the spec anymore… cuz apparently, those who still play it, cannot see why the spec is on the state it is right now (or the last expansions)
Some people think they’re just really special for playing the spec. They’re more delusional than the poeple who mained BM in WotLK and just like sitting at the top of a very small hill.
This is the desperation for MSV. It’s actually everyone else’s fault for not understanding context not given. And even still, it’s really stupid to stand within the blast radius of explosives.
“Yes, he was wrong and didn’t explain anything properly, BUT AHHHHHKTUALLLLLYYYY…”
nobody said class fantasy silly. people are saying applying realism exclusively to one ability is silly.
do you think it’s not just as dangerous for your pet to fire a ton of arrows randomly in their direction? where are all the arrows coming from when you use multishot? or rapid fire? or volley? do you think it’s “class fantasy” when you survival a giant meteor falling on top of you because you thought really hard about a turtle?
it’s really stupid to put realism expectations on a fantasy video game.
“it’s really stupid to exclude class fantasy from a fantasy video game”
I know your learning disability prevents you from understanding, but for anyone else wondering what Nonanon is saying.
this is why nobody takes you seriously because you can’t answer a simple question on why your suspension of disbelief stops exclusively for wildfire bomb and not every other ability the class uses. why does your “class fantasy” stop for a single ability?
you know this is a team game as well, right? so the entire concept of “ranged survival” would also be “dumb” according to you because you’re shooting a bunch of explosive where your party or raid members are
“this is why-”
No. It’s been explained to you. Multiple times. You can’t understand it since, as you’ve demonstrated repeatedly, knowledge retention isn’t a stregnth.
Why would I be salty I’m not the one who needs to buy aotc 
you have literally never explained why your class fantasy standards exclusively applies to one single ability in the game. you hand wave every other example with “well it’s just magic”
you never explained why shooting your friends with arrows is okay, you never explained where all the arrows come from, you just sit here and cry that a single explosive ability on a single spec in the game is enough to send you in a week long tantrum because strangers on the internet thing you’re silly
your only explanation of your weird obsession was “someone specialized explosions shouldn’t blow explosions up in their own face” and when you were told that’s not how the ability works you just ignored it lol
PuGs are a thing and Fyrakk Heroic kills are always listed.
Even if I did ‘need to buy’… I’m pretty wealthy in-game.
Since you can’t imagine pugging a H-Fyrakk kill(lol), you think 100k-500k gold(assuming) is like a lot of gold and you have to hide on your alt while complaining about what others do in-game… Going to guess heavy, heavy, heavy levels of projection and welcome you to Ignore.
Toodles!
I mean I have.
Also explained that as well.
Yes, someone whose class fantasy is being an expert in explosives shouldn’t stand on top of the explosion or in it’s radius. Unless MSV class fantasy is also to be immune to explosions.
As to ‘that’s not how the ability wor-’… You mean when you lied and said the move has a minimum range and it doesn’t?
Or do you mean when you said standing 8 yards from an explosion is totally safe?