Explosions are still explosions and it’s really stupid for someone that’s supposed to specialize in them to stand right in the blast zone. You’re going to immediately pivot to realism when, and this is the fifth time, it’s about the class fantasy of specializing in explosives and not having the iq of melted butter.
this is the type of person that likes msv, spends more time on forums being willfully obtuse than in-game playing the spec
What makes it nonsensical is the spec is at the same time trying to be a melee beastmaster of sorts that has a close companionship with its pet and fights alongside it.
Wildfire Bomb is a nonsense fit for that archetype.
Of course, this isn’t an argument for replacing Wildfire Bomb. It’s an argument for replacing the melee beastmaster part.
We already have a beastmaster spec.
He also writes the guides from it on Wowhead and spends approx 24/7 in the Trueshot Lodge SV channel. There’s probably no one else in this game that spends more time on SV than he does. That’s where the attachment comes from.
There’s not a chance someone at that level of dedication would ever admit making SV melee was a mistake.
NO WAY! OMFG LMAOOOOO
He’s like the biggest fish in the littlest tiny pond. If he specialized in a spec people actually cared about he’d have to compete with others that have talent and wouldn’t get to feel all special in his little magic and swords game.
That’s just precious…
Based on the popularity of the spec since it went melee, most people don’t like msv lol
He’s about to give you a full blown dissertation on how ‘ACTUALLY’ msv is super popular and you just don’t understand the spec, careful now
this is such a ridiculous argument and you know it lol. please tell me how thats any worse than shooting a barrage near your pet or multishot near your pet or any other aoe abiltiy near your ally
i am replying to your replies lol. if that means I spend more times on the forums what does that mean about you?
we also already have a ranged weapon spec 
how many posts do you have on this forum? is that dedication?
~he said while also replying to someone else he’s also arguing with. Seemingly unaware people can view his post history and see the dozens of people he’s regularly arguing with over several threads
I don’t see your point? “you spend time on the forums when you talk on the forums!” yes that is how forums work lol
~it came as a shock to nobody that the point, as had so many others before, completely flew over Nondriel’s head. He was well known for writing guides on unpopular and unplayed specs… not for his intelligence.
Where are you getting the idea that WFB has a minimum range? 40yd max, no minimum.
i’m saying that generally you’ll be 8 yards away from your target because there’s no reason to be closer if you have lunge. the person i’m talking with seems to think you’re right on top of the target when you use it and that in the real world WFB would damage you
says the person that can’t stop crying about realism in a high fantasy cartoon video game
~Nondriel said knowing full well he’d been explained this was an issue of class fantasy more than five times. But unfortunately the TBI he’d incurred from smashing his forehead against his keyboard forum trolling prevented his understanding of basic concepts like ‘Class Fantasy’
your “issue” with class fantasy has been explained just as many times over and once again you refuse to read anything that you don’t agree with. friendly fire doesn’t exist in wow. applying realism to the game is ridiculous. literally every spec in the game uses some sort of suspension of disbelief because it’s a video game
~It was almost funny to see Nondriel say that the issue had been addressed only to immediately pivot back to realism and completely ignore the very idea of Class Fantasy… but as has been proven time and time again, Nondriel is not known for his intelligence
narrating your thoughts because you have no real point to the discussion at hand 
insisting your view of class fantasy is the only real one when you don’t even play the spec
im still not understanding why sv bomb is supposed to splash dmg the hunter otherwise it breaks immerzion but its not a prob for every other spec in the game to aoe themselves n their teammates n the face wit no consukwence
/facepalm
It’s a shaped charge. None of it goes towards yourself. Hell, none of it extends beyond <45 degrees left or right of its line of approach.
Which, while probably an errant claim, might be relevant if you actually applied this logic to the other explosives in the game, or even just the shaped / non-radial ones.
But clearly you don’t. Which is fine, since this is not ARMA, but World of Warcraft. Apply even a third of the same suspension of disbelief you do to all other specs in the game and there is no issue here.
He’s implying nothing of the sort… MSV melee range is 8 yards. Lunge is an obligatory talent, not for its utility but for its throughput increase via CDR.
It’s not, and no one’s claimed that it presently is. He claimed only that SV has every bit as much identity as MM and BM and that said identity is as cohesive as MM’s and BM’s. Which is pretty well known and agreed upon by those who’ve actually played it.
Aye. You —not a general “you” but you in particular— don’t. You made that repeatedly clear. But noting a single truth doesn’t make your earlier strawman any more accurate.
And we also already have a ranged technique and munitions spec that uses Physical (direct and bleeding), Arcane, Poison, Fire, Frost, Wind, and Shadow damage, can automatically apply poisons and gains charges of its key ability to fire off instantly from periodic damage dealt.
You already know my stance about randomly separating enhancing one’s pet from coordinating with one’s pet, but… if MSV is just a Beastmaster, the heck do you need an RSV for? You’d only need like 2 choice nodes and due conditionals.
Wait, wait, wait… You’ve yet to note any removal of the things advertised within Hunter class fantasy beyond auto-shot, as if somehow dealing one’s passive periodic damage from closer is somehow gamechanging.
It’s not 2010. Autoattacks are not the majority of our damage anymore. They haven’t been for many years now.
its funny you say this about people but are only 2400 io and your aotc fyrakk kill looks like it was a boost lol. So wtf are you doin in game if you spend more time in game than on the forums pet battling?
Yeah I don’t super care about you guys arguing real world physics where the issue is that thematically a dude pair-bonded with an animal companion (as SV is meant to be) is not going to be throwing a claymore at Fluffy’s feet, regardless of which way the cone spreads, because throwing explosives towards your treasured pets is incredibly stupid but whatever.
My problem is that you are stating outright falsehoods to try and argue your point. Minimum range is a defined term with a specific meaning, so co-opting it as a “well everyone takes Lunge so whatever your basically always 8yd away” is not doing your argument any favors.
That’s the maximum range. Not the minimum range.
I agree he implied nothing. He lied. He stated outright that there was a minimum range.
This is a direct quote.
Note he claims WFB has a minimum 8yd range, then accuses others of fundamentally misunderstanding the spec.
Maybe don’t tell outright, easily disproven, lies?