I’ll never be able to fly in dreanor or legion

You sound like a dev…

You should care if the game world can grow. Lack of returning players or new players is what will be the end of the game.

In that time…the apocalypse of wow…there will be three people logged with max achievements. A new player will log and ask for help on a noob quest, and the three seasoned players will tell him/her “no, we didn’t have any help with those quests using white items way back in classic while grinding nature resist gear…you should do it or play another game.”

All the time pondering where everyone went, and why no one wants to group with them…

I’m in the same boat. I wanted to point out that I’ve known several who say the same but also claim they have all kinds of time to play or magically accomplish 10 hours of stuff in 2 hours.

I’ve actually known 1 person in real life like this. He used to post on forums that he had a wife, kids, a job and managed to do such and such but left out the parts where his wife left him and took the kids and his job is raking leaves on the weekends.

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If this were the case, then EverQuest would have died AGES ago. They need to make the game around the players who stick, and not the ones who are fickle and leave 2-3 weeks after each patch.

The reason I don’t care if they come or go is because they always pattern the same exact way.

Expansion drops, tons of players return. They gobble up world and quest content, do the lowest/easiest content then sit for a week screaming about how there is nothing to do. They leave and wait until next patch to return. We have about 70 of these in our guild. We don’t allow them to raid because they always vanish on us.

These are not core MMO audience players. They have no interest in the meta game. Flying wouldn’t have retained them. Outside of endless world content (that’s impossible) would cause them to stay.

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If your days are numbered…why do you care about old content on a game you wont be playing as you’re looking into other games?

Attention seeking.

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IF these folks at blizzard had the processing power to figure it out, theyd understand that if you want to make the MOST money as a business you HAVE to APPEAL to the MOST broad customer base.
Pathfinder is the antithesis of that where OLD content is concerned.

PF for CURRENT content makes a bit of sense since youre trying to force players to play that content out.
But in OLD content where players are going to want to get thru ASAP, including the achievements they want to get, its absurd to require them to do PF.
Most just wont do it.

At the end of the day there is a long list of games I can play other than this one.
So when Bliz allows their poor financial choices to cause them to have to shut down half their WoW servers, PF fanboys can rejoice that they got their way, while the game continues to deteriorate.

heh.
Making a FUN part of a game UNFUN.
Whoddathunkit.
What braindead pod came up with that concept.

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I can see your point, honestly.

But, please remember it’s an MMORG - massive multiplayer online roleplaying game…not a MGOG massive grinding online game.

Grinding old content is basically and individual pursuit. Players get no connection with others to make them feel like a community.

At least having the players in current content, they have a chance to make friends and group for things like hivemind or something.

Oh well…enough Worgen philosophy…where’s the damn bacon already…I smell it and know it’s around here. I’ve been civil…gimme bacon.

Bygones to all in this thread, try to stay civil and enjoy the game/grind/each other.

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whew.
this doesnt require Einstein to figure out, friend.
I dont like parts of the game.
IF I liked those parts of the game I MIGHT end up playing much longer.
easy enough?

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Its easy to see you’re whining and crying about old content yes, that part is very easy to see. Clear as day actually. And if you aren’t a fan of certain aspects of the game and such a minor thing like working for something you want is pushing you towards other games, allow me to hold open the door for you.

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Doesnt want to do the content that they want flying for to do the content :thinking:

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Right? Really makes ya wonder about some peoples intelligence or if they just like to complain just to complain.

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I would like to run BR Foundry for transmog, that’s about it. I don’t want to do all the content for that expansion when I’m trying to focus the bulk of my time on current content.

That’s what Blizzard does.

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You can unlock their flying super fast. Your just choosing not to so no one’s fault but your own you don’t wanna grind some rep and 1 shot mobs for quests needed.

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If you won’t go back there to get pathfinder what do you want to fly there for? It is old content right? There couldn’t be anything of value there for you to want to be able to fly.

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I honestly do see your point as well. We just disagree. I am not here to just combat people and shill for blizzards decisions. I disagree with them on many things. Keeping achievement integrity in tact is just something I am keenly aware of as being an important aspect in a perpetual-world game.

What’s the point of me earning a kick butt mythic-raid cutting-edge mount if everyone can just waltz right in and get it an expansion or two from now? Lowering the drop rate for it keeps it special and unique. Means that your time spent on the thing wasn’t for nothing. When I level an alt, I have the privilege of having earned flight in those areas to make it easier.

At what point do you sacrifice the integrity of someone else’s grind and time in order to appease someone else’s lack of wanting to do it? It diminishes the more core audiences want to achieve anything. Since it’ll just be free later what’s even the point.

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and that’s the whole point, who really wants to? WoD was a bad expansion, who wants to spend any time there? I don’t level alts any more because they’ll have to go thru that hot steaming pile

If you don’t want to do old content, then it shouldn’t matter whether you can fly or not.

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The questing content was actually good and so we’re the zones questing flow system. That’s the one thing WoD did right.

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If you were to ask me, the questing in WoD was one of my favorite experiences of all time. They just dropped the ball on long-term content in WoD. The questing had nothing to do with WoD being a failure. It was the one huge bright spot in that otherwise dull experience.

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