I mean I think it’s more of a weird hill to purposely choose a race you won’t like and then advocate to ruin what makes it special in lore. But I mean what you call grandstanding I just call not wanting to cheapen evoker 
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Except I didn’t choose a “race”. I choose a class (which is super fun by the way!). All people are asking for is combat in visage form. And considering there are like 26 different playable races in the game, having the option to fight in either dracthyr or visage form(literally an existing appearance for the class already) isn’t asking a whole lot.
“Lore” is also a silly argument. How much of the lore has been changed, tarnished, or retconned over the years? This is an easy fix via a small quest line lol). It’s not “ruining” anything for anyone?
To take such a strong stance against a large portion of the player base’s request, ESPECIALLY when it has absolutely ZERO effect on them, is the real weird hill. No one is trying to ruin your fun, so why go out of your way to ruin theirs?
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You did, it was part of the evoker selection thats like saying DH didn’t pick a race.
because you can write a whole world like this for 20 years so far and hopefully many more without making mistakes? people aren’t able to read the future sometimes they are needed but its never purposeful and generally the result of humans 10 years ago not being able to know where the game would go. having none is an impossibility because we are humans.
for you i guess sure. and those with your same opinion. but for others it does.
it does have effects on us your side tends to not focus on it because its about you as an individual. I mean its fair you should only be concerned about your fun and your gameplay experience with your sub money, but others also pay their sub money and have differing viewpoints. Nobody is trying to ruin anyones fun. If certain people are having such an unfun time because of pixels evoker right now possibly isn’t the class for those people.
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Because people like humans and elves, then, every future race will have some contrived reason to turn into human or elf.
That’s going to make them more successful than Mechagnomes at least.
Lore can be conjured out of thin air.
As for unwanted cosmetics -
I’ll buy that priests didn’t sign up for shadow form when playing Shadow, and balance druids didn’t sign up to be moonkin.
But dracthyr? people totally signed up for that or at least, agreed to do so.
I wish visage never existed. Blood elf visage is a mockery.
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How is allowing visage form for combat (even though everyone can be visage form for literally every other non-combat interaction and activity in the game) ruining the game for others???
What effects are those? Communicate them. Why are you bringing individualism vs collectivism into this? If it’s half the evoker playbase then it’s no longer just an individual concern, is it? It’s individual insofar as some individuals want to fight in visage form, just like you and other individuals want to fight in dragon form.
I’ll keep checking this thread in case a valid argument against it can be made, but as of right now I’m failing to understand the negative impact and effect this would have to the “no visage combat” group.
We have the ability to be in visage or dragon form while not in combat, why is it such a big deal for us to have the ability to be in either visage or dragon form while in combat? Because “lore”? I don’t buy that. Lore can be expanded on, iterated on, and changed…just as it always has been.
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I’ll keep checking this thread in case a valid argument against it can be made, but as of right now I’m failing to understand the negative impact and effect this would have to the “no visage combat” group.
Fantasy is centered around restrictions.
If I hypothetically wanted to make an orc, and be a human, I can either pester Blizzard to change the character creation screen or use a toy.
Using a toy is a personal choice.
Asking Blizzard to change the entire game just for me? that’s a bit much.
And who knows, maybe there are a lot of players that would only play Horde if they can play human. (Queue Arathi Allied race.)
You can already stay in non-dracthyr form with a toy, do that.
Because it cheapens the evoker class lore and uniqueness to just belf model #5? there are already every caster under the sun you can be if you want to be belf. sorry thats not how evoker works.
We already have multiple times in multiple threads.
do you have stats? because I guarentee you dont
the tooltip literally said it was to soothe allies bc dracthyr form put them on edge. not to do combat in.
because your a dragon, casting dragon spells, using draconic magic, etc.
use your toys you have if it bothers you so much. But don’t change the fantasy.
if an orc looks like a human, talks like a human, lives like a human, and is in stormwind, then its a human not an orc
You can’t use toys in rated instances. Also many of the toys don’t persist through death, or have an absurd cool down with a relatively short duration. Not exactly a permanent or valid solution, though I appreciate the suggestion.
I’m sure there are enough ways to make it permanent.
there is that one toy that you place on the ground and people step over it. ppl in my raid got so annoyed with it that it got banned in my raid lol.
atomic recalibrator.
I wish I can be immune,
yeah so glad my raid banned that. Even before I mained dracthyr it would annoy me, I would start losing my character bc I couldn’t see it’s model anymore.
Didn’t seem to stop blizz from implementing dwarf model #5 this expansion lol. And no caster plays like evoker. That’s a silly suggestion.
I’m not going to look through hundreds of threads to try and parse that out(as if the number of threads wasn’t testament enough to the magnitude of the demand in the first place). I’ll take the cliff notes if they’re so well established.
No, do you? I’m going off public perception like everyone else. And the number of threads, like ratios etc., suggest it’s a pretty divisive topic.
Our allies also include literal zombies in the Undead and Worgen Werewolves, I think they’ll be fine either way - whether that includes fighting in visage or going to Goldshire as a dragon to partake in…activities.
Did you just assume that Orcs race?! That’s very presumptuous in this social climate. What if it still has the genetic make up of an orc? What would you say then? I kid. Either way I see we’re clearly not going anywhere and no concessions are being made so I’ll just carry on having said my peace and eat what Daddy Blizz feeds me.
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I mean I guess then your options are to play evoker and be a cool dragon or don’t? If you want to be a belf there is an option there
People who have no played evoker and enjoy evoker do not want their class lore cheapened. We don’t want to be another generic belf caster. There are plenty of options for that
I mean that’s just the tooltip I mean idk what you want me to say that’s why there is a regen buff attached to it
Lmao <3 I was going for a walk like a duck line
Tru tru gl tho this tier!
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Just keep casting living flame and you’ll stay in visage form…
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What is there to do? They just need to move the anchor of the animation from the mouth to the hands like with any normal caster. There’s nothing mechanically unique about Evoker casts except visually where they come from.
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But if you do this, it completely changes the classes identity. You are no longer using dragonflight powers and more or less just a mage/shaman/druid. lol
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Because they use the power of dragons!
Because its only fixing one part of the visuals and not adjusting the rest. How long do I have to wait for full-mogging and additional accessories for Dragon-form to finally be up to par with the rest of the races, 5-8 years? When I’m in a retirement home, or when I’m already six feet under?
They’re band-aid fixes that do not help alleviate the current aesthetic problems and present a worrying trend of favoritism that will lead to abandonment. That is why there is opposition, it is why I’m opposed to it at this point in time.
Honestly, I would prefer this (full-ish Dragon-form xmog) over my solution of in-and-out of Dragon form combat, but I don’t think it will happen any time soon and thus don’t even bother advocating for it. Just seems like too much work Blizzard is not ready to take on atm. My solution, while maybe a band-aid fix, could be implemented relatively sooner… I think… and again people: it should be optional.
Nevertheless, I agree full xmog is the best solution. I’m sure even that however, won’t stop some people in our forums and in this thread hating the idea too and will keep yelling about how Dragons should be half-naked based on whatever fanfic story they are reading this month.
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the idea of homogenization is ridiculous, unless you’re working with the idea that the majority of people don’t like the dracthyr forms and thus will opt out of using them, which is itself pretty telling. no one says the class needs to be visage-only, that’s just a strawman which seems to be repeated over and over again because people don’t seem to grasp the difference between a request for options and an imperious, universal demand
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