Again, playing with hindsight and fifteen years of experience buffers some of the problems in Classic. But it still had the worst variety, easiest raid difficulty, and nonsensical restrictions like Debuff slots.
People hated the pruning and the classes didn’t ‘get good’ until Tanaan Jungle. But please keep lying to me about Vanilla and how many Bear and Prot Pally’s just littered the game.
Actually I was fine with my spec up until 6.2 when they started to break it to make it a melee spec for the next expansion . Then I switched and learned to like WoD MM .
Legion MM on sucks without BP
Remember Paladin Stance Dancing?
No because I never got into pally .
I try some classes out but mostly a hunter.
Like I said my spec played good up to a certain point .
That was the last expac where I was doing progression and our guild pally tank seemed to do fine during that expac.
Pruning was an excuse to try to entice the sizeable MOBA players that never came.
Then tablet pruner confirmed that classes were simplified and using borrowed power systems for tablet users.
Basically the entire pruning and borrowed power gimmick was to try to entice a new WoW playerbase and it failed! And it continues to fail. 
Look at shadowlands revamp? It is trying to bring in new players to WoW with level squish meanwhile alienating existing veteran players (eg heirloom nerfs).
Here are the 3 main problems with Blizz right now:
Who is the target audience that is going to gobble up Anima Power aka AP 3.0?
Cool, but it was the foundation that they built on - and it worked well. Then they decided to start gutting classes in Cata and on.
Of course people hated the pruning, but the class design overall wasn’t terrible. It didn’t compare to MoP for many though, but it was better than now.
Ok, I don’t like Ralph much either but there is no contradiction there. In the first post he explained why they exist and the second post he explains why he doesn’t like them and why he feels they should be removed.
A person can understand why something exists and dislike it.
Since Cata; they added Monks and Demon Hunters, dissolved the ‘PvP Spec’, dissolved the hybrid tax, changed classes that weren’t absolute damage sponges, and made almost every spec viable in all things.
Improvements were massive, but since it’s more convenient to lambast things we don’t like, the worse things are amplified.
Using systemic power is pretty ingenious as a way to introduce new abilities and talents without springing it out-of-the-blue in a new expansion.
That’s not saying that some classes don’t have issues, but that’s been the case since Vanilla.
I’m sorry, but leveling to 130 is obnoxious. Bringing the numbers and the levels back down makes obvious sense.
And heirlooms weren’t nerfed. It’s just Mafic logic interfering with common sense.
DH. Without azerite or essences it feels like a level 10 class.
I do feel that.
Furious Gaze has really worked for it, but it doesn’t feel like there’s much going for it in SL. (Still going to continue playing mine, but I wonder how we’ll handle the changes).
They removed all the class flavor
Now they’re adding it back through over complicated needless systems instead of just re-adding back what made classes feel like actual classes
Umm nothing?
I was highly dissatisfied with corruption being rng so some people would get lucky and get it and some wouldn’t and that was a huge dps increase.
Plus it made some classes perform sometimes well not because of skill but because of lack, cough cough dh with is
Thankfully the main issue got fixed with vendors and even ion admitted they got the balance wrong, infinite stars shouldn’t have been working better than stat corruptions. Plus it’s rng nature pre vendor made it unfair
Plus now it is pretty clear we are never going away from borrowed power for the reasons of the posts you replied to
I am not sure that is the gotcha you think it was xD
but you go around praising “non skill elements” like RNG and act surprised when people have a problem with them even tho you used to call for them to be removed
same with borrowed power; any time anyoen questions it now, you question them even tho u literally said youd quit if there was more borrowed power in SL
you made posts telling people to not expect to get into groups when they play trash specs doing trash damage even though you now say everyone is tryhard if they dont invite people of any spec/build
its like you used to be an elitist not even 2 months ago, made a new character and changed personalities lmao
your post history on your alts is just a bunch of toxic stuff and on this char u act like the casual defender
No I am pointing out that Ion, the lead dev has said that non skill elements WILL ALWAYS affect our performance, which translates to “if you take this game too seriously and obsess over skill, go play overwatch”
Ion has not said they plan on reintroducing corruption levels of RNG, he admitted that some corruption were broken and stats corruption should have been best, but he also said rng and variance is NEVER GOING AWAY so anyone obsessing over skill.
What I was extremely annoyed about was seeing stuff like IS do 20-30k more damage which was a huge part of your dps, and bad players of course benefited from that when they got lucky which can at times lead to delusions of skill in an mmorpg.
So in other words, Ion pretty much agreed with the problems I had with the system and he said he isnt planning on doing the same yet RNG will remain and tryhards can leave.
Link it, cuz I dont remember pointing to specs as a problem since I always knew the skill of an individual isnt dependent on meta spec.
You mean rn like my haters keep calling me elitist anyway xD
Based on a quick history search I can online imagine I was being extremely annoyed that because I change mains semi often at times I never manage to have good corruptions unless I get extremely lucky.
And my performance being completely dependent on RNG was a problem, especially when others go lucky and got free damage for no reason
What changed? we got corruption vendor so i could get the corruption I wanted and can have fun instead of getting some dumb void ritual
THen link them, I have never used alts to hide what I say, I always post on current main.
You seem to have a hard time realizing the word balance, because I am against corruption doesnt mean I am against enough RNG to deter tryhards who obsess over skill, I am against ridiculous levels of rng such as corruption doing huge portions of your damage.
But like i said, rn things are calmer since we got the vendor
doesnt sound like ur talking about skill, ur saying people who dont min/max are going to be terrible and dead weight
isn’t that the same as the non-skill factors you keep praising over and over now?
in other words, you could swap around builds and play with the right things in the right content… which is all people want with covenants when they want them to be more swappable
They could also just leave our classes fairly static each expansion. IF they bothered to finish the classes. It would be more work upfront completing the specs, but once it’s done, it’s done. They wouldn’t have to spend immense amounts of time and money into systems that heavily polarize players. Just look at the mess our very own Shadow Priests are in.
Lmao it is like you didnt even read the title of the thread xD
Good attempt to pretend I was talking about “spec” though
Yeah if you get void ritual, avoidance and the other list of useless corruptions while another person got lucky and got rly strong corruptions like is, stats, tentabro of course you were miles ahead in performance, both in pve and in pvp, my rogue having rank 5-7 tentacle back then was simply moronicly stupid.
Skill was pretty much irrelevant, it was more about how lucky you got with what corruptions you got, so of course a character who didnt get lucky or rerolled would be pretty annoyed.
You cant excuse “oh I got avoidance 3x times, that is fine”, and Ion agreed that the RNG nature of it ruined the whole design.
It was highly likely he didnt want players to stack their best corruption, so he used the RNG to force people into trying out different builds, the issue is many corruptions had almost no use which of course resulted in some people doing 10-20k less dps not due to lack of skill but due to lack of luck.
So yeah of course a character would be terrible if they didnt have good corruptions while one who did would perform better not due to skill but due to luck, so yeah of course I wasnt referring to skill.
Though I was wrong in the part about not inviting them since it was an overreaction since we all know very well just like the azerite, essences, corruption and soon covenants, people dont obsess over such details when they invite
That wouldnt work, each expansion needs a new gimmick, it needs something extra to make it feel different, borrowed power also solves that problem.
It isnt 2004, basic butt rpg design aint enough, it needs something more.
I agree that the specs need some focus but I am not sure if they have the time.