I have no reason to raid anymore

So you have the gear while it’s relevant.

Your DH can catch up to your warrior after the fact, but your DH wasn’t ready or able to raid during DazarAlor as a result of catchup for the following tier.

If it is your contention that its not worth raiding because you can get any character to catch up for the following raid, then good. Now you can raid because you actually want to be raiding (or not because you don’t, whichever the case may be), rather than because you feel compelled to to be able to function on that character in the future.

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Yeah, I didn’t didn’t raid for a few months already, you can get every new hero to 400ilvl in like 3 Weeks without raid. HoA is a problem though

welcome to the new reality.

I think this ties into the whole no venders thing. There has been huge backlash from the comunity about the lack of venders and the RNG loot system. It seems they think giving bigger rewards will help people deal with the lack of vendors. It wont. I Dissagree with this.

I would rather have usefull professions and venders over “welfare” gear.

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Man…this subject got me banned last time but I’ll try to be good this time.

If the challenge and satisfaction of being part of a group taking down those bosses and progressing through the raid is not sufficient then…don’t.

You are not interested in raiding, only gear, so go do what you find fastest and easiest to get it.

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Yea I know its horrible anyone but you might feel like they are progressing in the game right?

I agree with OP. This does seem odd.

Basically, there isn’t much reason to raid anymore except at maybe heroic and mythic difficulties.

Normal mode raiding looks pointless.

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I would rather see Emissary Equipment moved to 390 and Emissary Azerite Armor move to 395, but there is still an advantage doing M+ and raiding over someone only doing solo content. Solo players don’t get difficulty-specific transmog tints, and have fewer and slower opportunities for better gear, particularly across non-Azerite slots - especially versus someone doing all of these content types.

That said, class sets and tier bonuses would trivialize the concern over emissary gear ilevel.

It is pointless.

Except for the people that do it.

Which is the point.

Wow if this isn’t the biggest case of special snowflakism then I don’t know what is eyeroll

“Wah wah other people can get things I have, now it won’t be special.”

Sorry, no sympathy here, really happy blizzard are doing this, some of us can’t all spend hours upon hours playing WoW. It is a great catch up mechanic and WQers are NOT going to be as strong as Heroic or Mythic players so I really don’t see the reason for the outcry.

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Yep. If only the transmogs were good, I’d be raiding, too. As of now, being stronger isn’t even a very good reason to raid, lol.

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Thing is, if you can get the same rewards doing easier content, the point it, it destroys motivation to do more difficult content. At that point, people who like the harder content will find it more difficult to find people to do it with, as the majority of players play for the rewards of said content.

So you pretty much destroy motivation for playing the game… and people get bored of the same old grind of WQ as the treadmill continues.

It’s going to eat the game alive at this rate. Why bother doing content if you can get the same rewards by doing something trivial?

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Mythic plus completely killed my raiding guild.

We had a good amount of players. Then we all got our 10s in each week and got better than Heroic gear.

Well if I have better than Heroic gear, the residuum to buy 415 azerite gear, why raid? We already got the full story. We got our AoTC. What’s the point? We can still hang out and goof off and try and kill each other in plusses.

We are now feeling the affects of that with people burned out, quitting, not motivated to log in for crucible, etc.

Now we are rebuilding and I don’t know if we will survive. All because I sneeze and find Heroic gear.

Now this? What a very very bad change. It was not this bad in Legion. I honestly don’t understand what is going on here.

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I understand what you are saying, but gear doesn’t seem like it should be the only motivator to do that type of content, achieves, mounts/pets/cosmetics and bragging rights are just some of the other things off the top of my head. :slight_smile:

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Thing is though, we have hundreds of mounts… how many do we realistically use? Same with pets and to be honest not everyone likes the pet battles. Achievements? Again not that much of a motivation to many… it’s the gear…

See what you have already put… .everyone equates gear to progression. People will still do, or try to do harder content… bu the problem is finding OTHER people motivated to do it with them. Think about it… with the shrinking of the playerbase, and more people being put off doing normal and heroic raids as they can get the same rewards doing WQs… those left behind either have to pay to transfer servers, or reroll entirely to servers with raiding populations / guilds or quit out of sheer boredom.

That is what people can’t see… if the raiding scene and the PvP scene collapses, then WoW will just be generic grindfest #59834. Raiding was what put wow on the map to begin with.

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The point of raiding is to enjoy overcoming the game mechanic challenges with a larger group of players. What else could possibly be the point?

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But I already did that. Have the achievement to prove it.

Now what’s the point?

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QFT. People who keep moaning on and on about “welfare” gear are clueless. The rate and randomness makes it not some panacea for raiding. But a lot of the time pugging raids is all the majority of players can do and the level of toxicity in said groups can be horrendous to deal with. Getting decent gear outside of it is a relief from that hell sometimes.

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But that also means people who want to raid, find it harder to get guilds who are willing to put time and effort into organised raiding, in order to get the same rewards they can get by doing solo content. Mythic raiding is hard, and not everyone has the skill for that… and it is a massive skill wall. That is why normal and heroic exist. But if you can get the same rewards in easier content… then less and less guilds will do it… meaning only pugs will bother, and will get more and more toxic as time goes by.

You don’t see this as a problem? I certainly do.

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Why do you feel raiding is the only thing to do in this game and should be the only way to get gear?

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