No - people just love to throw tantrums when they don’t get their way.
Grab sockets and/ or crafting items. You are not entitled to loot.
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Then make it timed. Ulgrax is REALLY easy though
No, I can’t play the content I want to play. The content I want to play is pushing the highest M+ keys I am capable of doing. In these higher keys, the pulls are bigger and the mobs have more health. In the lower keys, everything dies fast and people do much smaller pulls. It’s a different game.
This is wrong. I’ve already addressed this above.
Again, I want to push high M+ where your stamina really matters.
Ok whatever, if you’re into doing world quests we are not remotely the same.
This is true, and could easily be adjusted.
For me mythic raid is entirely about putting together the right group of people. The amount of time actually being in the raid AND in a pull is tiny compared to all the prep that goes in, the roster management etc. Mythic raid leaders basically have a full-time job.
That’s your opinion. don’t say it as fact.
I think it could be the opposite. What if mythic raid were spammable? What if say the raid reset every day instead of every week? Perhaps some people like raid logging, and they only want to play 5 hours a week. But if you like raiding wouldn’t it be more fun if you could do more of it?
In all seriousness did you go into chatgpt and type “Give me the most predictable, cliche forum troll response to this post”?
Do you have an actual rebuttal to what I said or are you just going to continue with the tantrum?
You’re way overthinking it. Once you’re not doing content high enough to get upgrades from the vault, you just play the game enough to unlock one vault slot. You then get the tokens for either a gem slot or crests for upgrades.
That’s just not conducive to how progress raiding works at all. The friction between people wanting to progress the next boss Vs just wanting to knock out farm all over again isn’t an aspect I’d want to introduce.
People stressing and getting mad at the game for gear the will be outdated in a few months.
You have enough gear to do any content that gives actual rewards, don’t worry about it.
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Don’t take it personally. NO ONE on this forum has the ideal solution. Every thread is loaded with vultures who are here solely to laugh at others and push their post count over 30k.
On a side note, I gave up M+ in shadowlands. I saw the hamster wheel and finally just wanted off. I have never been happier playing alts, running delves, follower dungeons, a few heroics, and LFR. I still get to see all the content, and instead of trying to impress the world with my IO score, I decided I would rather impress myself by getting the “All the Things” addon… and trying to get all the things.
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Came to say this. I love the vault personally. Sure may get a few duplicates, but over all much better than what we had before.
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Mark Twain once said “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
I’ve seen your feeble attempts at trolling in many other threads. Some of the trolls out there at least have style but you bore me. Come back when you’ve come up with an insult that is actually entertaining.
I think that’s getting into mythic raid issues – the lockout imo is a major issue, I know many people love the lockout but if it didn’t exist it would make stuff like this very feasible. For example, a cutting edge guild could keep the lockout on one toon, and then do some quick farm and go back to the boss they are working on (like in heroic)
That would give raiders both the ilvl progression from the raid they are working on and also allow for picking up the progress again
Thanks for your kind words and I do think I am nearing the point where I just move on to this other game. But I’ve been playing wow for years now and do like a lot of it. And I really enjoy myself in the higher keys, when the group is focused and the mobs actually have health. So I work to get there every season, and once I do get there I have a lot of fun. But I hate life along the way.
I think Blizzard really leans into the fact that many of us like working on a goal, but they push it too far
I will give you both this – if they entirely removed the vault and balanced the game around that instead then I think that would be an improvement. However since the vault exists, they have to balance around it.
Oh… well, you get that when you form your own group and push a +17. Good luck to you!
Eh much earlier than that! I ran a 12 last week and they were all great players.
It increases the expected ilvl bliz tune encounters around, effectively adding more to the list every day and making it harder for players to overcome challenges through gear as more gear is needed to beat the challenge optimally in the first place.
Idk I’m happy raiding 9 hours a week progressing. Running 4/8M every day for the cloak / neck on top of that seems extremely unappealing.
Sure you did
Alright I do see your point there. Ok, but what if it were still once a week but mythic lockouts worked like heroic do now? So that you could still do once a week farm, but also not lose progress.
When I was in that CE guild we did not do farm once we got past Anduin, and I feel like that’s pretty normal. Perhaps they have improved it so that the first 5or so bosses are easy enough, it seems like nexus princess might be where a lot of guilds stop farming and just hold on to the lockout
This tells me you are very far away from the M+ scene. It is very easy to +2 a 10, so you get a 12. or you just time your 11 which is also quite easy and you get a 12. It’s not rocket science
It’s kinda cruelly funny that the “Dungeon experience” so many players like Dracarian seem to want is the experience people like me and you have with dungeons every day. Considered pulls, talking tactics, using cc, and an overall less highly strung demeanour. It’s just at a difficulty that’s well out of the vast majority’s reach.
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The vault is good (I just got a mythic track piece I needed).
You haven’t timed a 10 this season.
We didn’t start extending until ansurek. You’d also always do mythic with the guild if you could / with as many of them as possible to ensure the items that drop go to your progress instead of randoms.
The first 4 bosses are real easy this tier.
Oh you can leave me out of this. I enjoy MY dungeon experience every day.
- I run follower Dungeons to knock out Weeklies
- I tank heroics for friends and guildmates
- I run alts through Delves for gear and practice
I am happy as I am… you two just enjoy the conversation 
For every person like yourself complaining its trash someone else is enjoying it because they got their bis. Rng be rng