I hate dungeons now

[Foxmulder-the-venture-co]

I hate seeing the same thread being posted over and over on a non issue

[Felpickle-illidan]

Easy fix, stay with the tank. Also next week when mythic dungeons release it wont be wall to wall pulls anymore. Get rdy to have to deal with actual mechanics in the dungeon. Get rdy for the insane amount of Wah Wah Wah on the forums about dungeons to hard now.

[Aerra-stormscale]

It’s also near impossible to die as a tank in ff, add to that the fact that aggro is also not a problem because you hit something once and it’s on you forever (assuming tank stance), and its little wonder that ff has people pulling to the bosses.

It’s the best way to do a dungeon the only thing that messes it up is if you don’t tag a mob, and one of your team starts blasting. Which they shouldn’t do in ff because like I said the tank is invincible

[Gendam-moon-guard]

“Are you not entertained”?

[Myagido-stormrage]

Tbh I wish they would bring back Mop style 3 person scenarios. Where tanks and heals were not required for the most part. Was nice to have one, or the other in a group sure, but not needed overall to complete. Better than having to run with a mouthy Bronzebeard also lol.

[Asphyxiation-aegwynn]

There is literally no such thing as passive aggro generation.

If someone other than the tank pulls aggro, it is because someone is hitting, healing, or straggling when they shouldn’t be.

Furthermore, just because something is teeing off on you does not mean you have aggro. Plenty of mobs focus while still being aggro’d to the tank.

Sorry, I’m just really tired of people screeching “aGgRO” when they don’t understand how it actually works or how to avoid it.

You not understanding how the meta works does not mean the tank is bad.

[Oakspirit-thrall]

there are several passive healing effects from healers that can pull aggro if the tank has only face pulled.

[Waymond-kul-tiras]

Don’t be gross. You can’t read a tank’s mind and automatically position yourself ahead. You also can’t predict when they will line you. Tanks all play differently and not all follow the same pulls. They also aren’t really good at knowing how much they can pull right now.

If you want to do better, you need to realize your limitations.

[Wormflinger-the-scryers]

A good tank always looks over their shoulder to see if heals is there and has mana … you’re simply playing with rotten tanks.

[Aqure-westfall]

well there is follower dungeons

[Aurelisa-hydraxis]

@Oakspirit-thrall

its like ff14 pulls but worse.

At least in the FF dungeons I’ve done people communicate. Here tanks run, dps does what it does and the threat bounces around the party leaving the healer to pull their hair out. I’ve been fortunate so far this expac that I haven’t had any hateful people when they die. When I hit 80 and started doing some normal dungeons, there were tanks that would pull 6 or more packs of mobs when they could. My heals as a fresh 80 SUCKED so there was death and lots of it

[Khronys-aerie-peak]

@Jae-jaedenar

Nothing’s changed. It’s always been this way.

It’s gotten progressively worse. Stop being obtuse.

[Wariya-stormrage (Wariya)]

I blame that healer who said they didn’t want to dps on downtime . welll gratz now everybody is cooked

[Sheara-silver-hand]

dungeon exp in War is probably the worst to date at this point i dont even want to do mythics next week.

[Jae-jaedenar]

Normal and heroic dungeon pulls right now feel just the same as they were for the entirety of Shadowlands and Dragonflight. If a tank wasn’t pulling everything to the boss, the tank was intentionally slowing down the group.

How has it gotten progressively worse, if its exactly the same? And you are calling me obtuse?

[Khronys-aerie-peak]

@Jae-jaedenar

Nothing’s changed. It’s always been this way.

@Jae-jaedenar

they were for the entirety of Shadowlands and Dragonflight.

@Jae-jaedenar

How has it gotten progressively worse, if its exactly the same?

Re-read what you wrote and see the issue with your moving of goal post or you clearly didn’t word your opinion well.

@Jae-jaedenar

And you are calling me obtuse?

Yes, see above why.

[Raldor-black-dragonflight]

@Oakspirit-thrall

i dont even know what blizz can do to fix the problem, or if anyone else even thinks its a problem.

EVERY dungeon the tank just pulls and runs and runs and pulls then when they are at like 1/4 hp they duck into some nook to LOS the mob train they just made. in so doing they also LOS my healing.

100% true. Maybe not the EVERY dungeon part. But maybe it was EVERY dungeon for you. Regardless it’s a huge problem and players are starting to voice their opinions about it more and more.

Keep making your voice heard on this subject. It’a a MMORPG dungeon where players are expected to be considerate of each other.

[Mitsunori-grobbulus]

Maybe the healer should have been focused on healing, or a battle res sent out. Idk.

Do something, for the love of god.

[Kentaurus-turalyon (Kentaurus)]

In FF XIV, there’s always a wall, meaning that even if a tank pulls a lot, they can’t just keep going. They need to stop and address what was pulled because they literally can’t progress any further if they don’t. There’s a bit of a difference. That also makes dungeons more tolerable, in my opinion. I main a tank over there. It’s all about reading the room and seeing what the party is capable of.

[Kelderick-frostmourne]

@Mitsunori-grobbulus

Maybe the healer should have been focused on healing, or a battle res sent out. Idk.

Do something, for the love of god.

Healers aren’t robots and can make mistakes. Also not every group has a battle rez.

I’ve said it in other threads but I’ll say it again here because it is a major issue. Tanks are playing badly because they can. Tanks can heal more than the mobs can damage them. They literally don’t need the rest of the group.

To stop this the tank’s self-healing needs to be lower than the incoming damage so that they can’t run off without the group because if they do, they will die. One way to fix this is to increase damage as you said. But this comes at the cost of volatility. The more stable solution is to severely reduce sustained self-healing for tanks. This means that tanks will need to care about the rest of the group (specifically the healer) as they will die without them. It will just take 10-15 seconds instead of 2, which makes it more forgiving of innocent mistakes.