You and I both know when people asked for Vanilla they weren’t asking for the last patch. Are you trying to dismiss the OPs post because you like how much easier classic is?
I’m sorry, do you speak for everyone?
I think most people were happy for vanilla, regardless of the patch.
What do you mean “easier?” Classic is as easy as vanilla was.
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I know how to read posts so I don’t need to speak for everyone. 1.12 is easier and that’s not really up for debate.
LFG fundamentally changes social aspects of WoW. Yes, PUGging is a PITA but that’s why people join guilds. Community is everything.
Druid morph should have been changed to seamless as advertised
I wouldn’t mind if Mend Pet was a HOT instead of channeled
or… if my pets leveled with me.
I can live without these things, but they would be nice…
But Classic is a recreation 1.12, so how is Classic easier?
Read the patch notes troll.
Read my question, bud.
How is CLASSIC easier than vanilla if Classic is using a patch from vanilla?
Remember the Pandora’s box statement by Ion Hazzikostas?? Even he believes that making changes is bad for Classic. Believe what you want, but everyone’s concern is valid…the slippery slope isn’t a fallacy in this case. It’s proven by the current state of retail
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The mindset of most #NoChangers can essentially be summed up as: While some changes might be good for the longevity of the game, they dont trust Blizzard to implement those changes because of what they did to the modern version of WoW. They believe (justifiably) that the instant Blizzard gets the notion that any changes to Classic will be accepted by the community at large, then that will be the day cash shops and level boosts are being sold.
For a lot of people like myself it isnt a case of not wanting changes, its a case of not wanting Blizzard in charge of those changes. Given the choice between Blizzard possibly hurling this game in the dumpster like they’ve done with all their other games for the past 10 or so years or just leaving the game as it was back in the day, no changes is safer.
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No. Who is he?
It’s almost like WoW features are self-generating and no one has any control over what appears. Clearly, this is silly.
I suspect Blizzard has had their own post-mortems on what went wrong in retail and why the Classic revolt came to life. I think they already have an idea of what things to introduce in the future.
Look #nochangers, Classic will change in the future whether you like it or not. A static 15 year old game that literally millions have played is not going to be able to survive of revenue of the nostalgia players.
Whether it becomes Classic+ or a BC/Wrath progression I don’t know.
But change is coming.
The only QoL changes I would find acceptable are the small things that are already achievable through an addon. For instance sending multiple pieces of mail at once was not possible in the original client but addons such as Postal worked around it and provided the functionality. Having this natively in Classic is a reasonable QoL change. Other things I wouldn’t mind having would be auto-dismount and auto-standing. In my opinion not game breaking and the functionality is currently possible through addons. (I think I use Leatrix Plus for this, among other things)
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WoW’s director.
Then why haven’t they rectified them? If anything, it’s worse than ever. I don’t know anyone who prefers BfA over Legion.
BC or wrath servers wouldn’t be “changes” to classic.
Not if Blizzard is smart. The entire allure behind Classic is that it’s an authentic recreation of the original, not some frankensteined mess consisting of vanilla and post-vanilla concepts.
They change classic too much, I go back to private servers. People are already saying “well you got graphics changes, real ID integration, etc. so why not do things like new models, transmog, etc.?”
Anyone who says the slippery slope is a fallacy at this point is an imbecile.
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If Blizzard does progression servers all over again, they will be flushing all that money that they just gained from vanilla fan resubs down the drain. I’m pretty sure that’s not going to happen this time. The expansions will be separate or we will quit once again. As for the Classic+ idea… that belongs in the dumpster along with retail
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It’s not so much of a “trust” factor, but a fact that what is and isn’t QOL or “doesn’t affect Classic”, is subjective.
The only objective view on Classic which is impossible to misinterpret is stating something like “All things WoW as of Patch/Date <x>”, which is quite literally what Blizzard has done through stating Patch 1.12.
Anything else from there, entirely subjective. We (#nochanges) don’t want to deal in thousands of subjective interpretations of “What Classic means to me”. It’s either Classic, or it isn’t, as defined by Patch 1.12.
Yes, I know that Classic isn’t a verbatim 1:1 copy of 1.12 and has some differences. These were not intentional and purposeful changes, but artifacts of using the newer WoW Client and either presenting unreasonable technical burden or deemed by Blizzard to be low priority enough to not invest dev time. Ideally, all things would be 1.12 verbatim, but I would rather have this close approximation than no Classic WoW at all. The only efforts from here should be to make things more like 1.12, not less like it.
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I disagree, our focus should be on improving this game. 1.12 is not perfect and changes that adhere to the philosophy of vanilla(time consuming, difficult etc.) should be encouraged. Raids for instance right now are too easy, that game would be better if progression and gear checks mattered.
And that’s the problem. Once YOUR preferences are included, the door is open for the preferences of THOUSANDS of other players to be included. At which point Classic is no longer Classic, but just a lite version of Retail.
Unless your proposing that ONLY your preferences be included … ?
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Because Classic’s only been out 15 days and there’s more to learn?
No, it’s not. That may be what is important to you but not to everyone. I couldn’t care less how authentic it is. I just want a “better” game then retail.
The nostalgia aspect was nice, but I’m over that.
Back to the “everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot” line, the last refuge of the failing advocates.
Sounds like some extremely subjective criteria. Even then, it’s not Classic, and would be more akin to Classic+. I’m all for making Classic+, just leave Classic alone. The moment we ‘improve’ or ‘fix’ or ‘add things’ to Classic, that’s when I unsub and go looking to private servers. Just as I’m not demanding Blizzard not satisfy your guys’ requests by providing a new/alternative server of Classic+ or what not, what’s the harm in leaving however many museum locked Classic boxes as well for us to enjoy?
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You are sincerely going to go to private servers because they make raids harder?
Honestly? If yes, then perhaps this game might not be for you…