I don't understand how multiboxing is different that botting

No, it’s called multiple accounts.

Do all your characters press a key at the same millisecond? No? Not multibox.

What’s so hard to understand here.
It’s possible to hate people with multiple accounts just the same as multiboxers because it is pay to win. But one is paying and cheating other is just paying.

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yes. you can do that without software, bare windows, just wow installed, not even addons.

This is a made up term that I seriously doubt will ever gain traction. The definition of multiboxing is simply playing multiple accounts at the same time. How you do so, whether the simple scenario I described earlier, or using mechanical means, multiple computers, a single computer, etc. are just different techiques for multiboxing.

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Don’t care how you do It that’s multiboxing.

right, that’s the whole point, you don’t need anything else, it’s not cheating, or pay to win, there’s no difference between a “multi-boxer” and 5 people in discord.

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so instead of talking about programs playing characters people are now nitpicking at the definition of multiboxing?

Obviously if you are not using any programs to control your other characters it isn’t botting, so why are you even talking about it? No one is saying having multiple accounts should be illegal.

What I’m talking about is when a program allows someone to play more than 1 character at a time, this is botting because no matter how try define it you are playing one character and a program is playing every other character

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The WoW client allows you to play more than one character at the same time.

OMG EVERYONE USING WOW IS CHEATING!!!

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P2w at its finest, people defending multiboxing are simply protecting their right to p2w.

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it happens to not be “botting” because there’s someone actually “playing” them. Even if it is through a program.

Just to be very clear a player is playing one character and a program is playing every other character

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isn’t that basically what I said? Or did I not dumb it down enough explaining that?

So, if I have two laptops, log two different characters in, group them, then play both at once (one hand per keyboard) that is alright?

If that is alright how about if I use a single keyboard, hooked into both laptops is that alright as well?

If either of the above is alright then you are fine with multiboxing, that is really all the keycloning software that seems to trigger everyone does, sends a keypress to multiple instances of the client.

Botting on the other hand sends keypresses without a human in the loop having to press a key first. It can be as complicated as a toon running around, picking herbs, putting them in the bank, and going back to picking herbs all without any human pressing keys except to start the cycle.

Botting can also be as simple as the kick-bots that interupt techniques from an opposing character before the technique activation is even visible. All without a human pressing a key.

Notice the difference? In multiboxing every individual action in a client is initiated by a person pressing a key. In botting, no person is pressing a key and some, often multiple, actions are being performed.

P.S. I could actually press the key, very quickly, once for each instance, say three times to cast fireball for example. Won’t actually cast anymore fireballs but if I have three clients running that is one keypress for each :rofl:

No, it’s not. It’s mirroring the key presses. Every key press is the person’s. Blizzard okay’s multiboxing because a player has to be at the helm. Botting, and automation in general, does not.

You need software to send keypresses to other WoW windows, it isn’t as easy as having 1 keyboard controlling two windows you need to setup a program to read what you are doing and send that command to every other WoW window. The fact that a program is sending commands to every other window means a program is playing that character

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No, this is just your own stupid made-up-on-the-spot definition. It’s also wrong.

Completely wrong.

It’s not cheating. It’s not against the rules. It’s fair play, since everyone is free to do it.

Nope, wrong again. It’s not pay-to-win because you don’t get anything for the money you pay, except a second account. The characters on that account have to be built the same way any character has to be built. There’s no shortcuts, which is what pay-to-win would be.

Basically everything you’re saying is wrong.

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You need software to send any keypress to any WoW instance, that’s how it works. But the keycloning software is fundamentally no different from the two laptop two hands, or two laptop one keyboard example.

P.S. And some of the earliest multiboxing solutions were purely mechanical involving multiple PCs and multiple keyboards mechanically linked.

Nope. It’s mirroring your key presses. Without the player, the program does nothing. That’s why it’s allowed.

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Well actually no, the player is playing all the characters.

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That’s one definition. I used bot programs in another game and that wasn’t always the case. A lot of people did what we called a ‘bot train’ which looks remarkably like what multiboxers do. You have a live player running one account, with a pile of accounts following them. The following accounts were given parameters to follow, cast a heal when the target was at X% health, or whatever. So you told it what to do and it did it under those circumstances. You were playing the 1 account live though. That way when a GM popped in on you, you’d just claim ‘dude, I am at my keyboard!’.

As I see it the only difference here is instead of having a program that does things automatically based on criteria, the multiboxer hits a key during those circumstances. So a monitored bot casting a heal at target players health below 40%, or manually hitting a heal to do the same thing. I GET IT. I just can’t believe it’s allowed.

You don’t need to be afk to automate actions is what I’m getting at.

Botting is automated play. What you are describing is much like a kick-bot where a person in say a BG or Arena has software that detects an interuptable techique, interupts it, all without the player having to actually press a key to activate their interupt.

Mutiboxers could use banned automation, just as any single player can. However, when you cross that line it is botting and is bannable.

You don’t have to be able to walk away from your computer, although that is what all the main botting programs were designed to do. It can be as simple as the kick-bot I described.

Heck, early in Vanilla there was a healing program that automatcially sorted and highlighted where your next heal should go (don’t remember if it could even cast the heal). That was a addon that Blizzard quickly broke :wink: