I don't like your pillars. I want a solo pillar

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Nothing you can do to the mechanics of the game.

The hardest Boss of the game cant be killed in Solo. There is no other way around on that mechanics. You really have to group up.

The hardest Bosses on Mythic Raid requires 20 players raid. But before you face them, there are easier Bosses where you would need gear from. But these Bosses require a group too. Either you group up with 5-man dungeons thru M+ or you group up with 10 to 20 players raid thru Normal or Heroic Raid.

Blizz will never make a Solo content that has equal rewards as Mythic Raiding. Becoz they can never make a Solo content as same difficulty as Mythic Raiding.
How could Solo be equal to Group Raid? It cant.

Here’s the general mechanics of WoW:

Solo - leveling, Open PvE World, Catch Up Area like Korthia or Zereth Mortis

Dungeons - Mobs and Bosses that cant be killed by Solo. It needs 5 people to beat it.

Raid - Mobs and Bosses that cant be killed by 5 people. It needs 10 people and up to beat it.

WoW is designed around this… from the very start since 2004 18 years ago. It wont change believe me. Been playing WoW since 2004 and I still play this game although I am way more Casual now unlike before when I was a hardcore no-life WoW addict back then. Dungeons and Raid kept me subscribing this game. I just love it.

I am surprised on someone who played WoW for 18 years without playing dungeons, raid or PvP. That is boring as hell to me. But you do you. It’s not my money. And no… Solo cant have Mythic Raid quality loots. Keep on dreaming … 18 years now and that dream hasnt come true. Go on, keep on dreaming.

BTW, Horrific Vision is the best solo that rewarded decent loots… in par with M+15 and Heroic Raid loots. Torghast cant do the same becoz Torghast can easily be beaten AS A GROUP.

I am not sure why Horrific Vision was not popular with grouping back then. I grouped up with a stranger then. That whole run was a catastrophe. I just want to kick him the whole time but I didnt. He kept doing something that is a no-no. Wasted my time reviving him as he keeps on dying. I should have leave him dead and I could still time it by myself.

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Accurate, but illogical.

People didn’t like the timer. Obvious solution? Remove the timer.

They did that, but then they removed the gear, too.

Nobody asked for the gear to be removed. They should’ve just removed the timer and left the gear.

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This is not a complete sentence as far as I can tell.

Good for the hardest boss of the game. I don’t have a problem with him, so killing him isn’t something I care about.

I don’t have to group up. I’ll just leave him alone and let him live in peace.

I don’t care? I don’t do any of that stuff and never have. Sounds stupid af, to be honest.

Will you please take a moment to extract your head from your rear end and understand that literally nobody is asking for your mythic raid gear? Nobody cares. You’re the only one. I don’t want your mythic raid gear.

I don’t want solo content as difficult as mythic raiding. That would do literally nothing for me.

I’ve never heard anyone saying they are equal. But they should both be handsomely rewarded because some players don’t raid and some players don’t solo.

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Then maybe shutup? You already have Korthia and Zereth Mortis.

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No.

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Step 1 - level up to max level
Step 2 - gear up for pre-raid
Step 3 - gear up from Raid or Mythic+ and kill Hard Bosses (complete AoTC, KSM)
Step 4 - Kill the Hardest Bosses (complete CE)

You stopped at Step 2. Game over for you. Time to rest and wait for the next Season cycle. Hope there is more content for you.

Retail is already more generous as it let you get gear up from Step 2 without doing dungeons. On Classic, there is no other way than to do 5-man dungeons.

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This isn’t strictly true, Solo content can easily be more challenging than group content simply by the nature of having less tools to work with when you’re solo. The issue with this would be balancing that content for all solo players. Content that can be impossible for a mage may be trivial for a Prot Paladin.
Part of the challenge to group content is the coordination of mechanics between members of the party, but even that can be trivialized with the use of addons like Weak Auras and Deadly Boss Mods.

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I usually do, but some of the other RPers don’t bother leveling past a certain point.

No.

I stopped before step 2, because I’m not doing that. I couldn’t care less about raids or gear.

I don’t do seasons.

Hey, thanks.

I played classic when it was just called “WoW.”

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Then go naked and face those elites. Fight 3 elites using your fishpole.

It doesnt work like that.

BTW, some Torghast Bosses are more of a DPS check and any Tank specs would fail on it. It can never be balanced with Solo. But it could be balanced as a Group. That’s why it has to be 5-man or raid.

When you watched Asmogold interview with Ion, there is a portion when Ion said that they are trying to battle against mods… They were making fight mechanics that would make mods useless. You would see such raid fights in BFA… like Nzoth and Uu’nat, Fa’thuul and even Jaina fight. But such fights are very cruel for lowbie players. Its LFR cant be beaten until Heroic and Mythic Raiders join in to carry the group.

Somehow, Blizz gave up doing such hard raid mechanics on Shadowlands. They have to so they could gain back lowbie players to play this game again.

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I dont know…
There’s plenty for people to collect in the overworld. There are tons of mounts I’m sure no one is collected. I know killing a rare isn’t exactly a long activity… But guys let’s not pretend like this game is suddenly only catering to raiders and mythic.

The game has always been this way. And while I wouldn’t mind the game to evolve past that, I gotta ask why did people stick around this long if you knew that this was what the game was?

Raiding giving out the best gear has been day one. Tier pieces dropping exclusively sometimes.

The game does evolve and we’ve gotten new ways to get gear, but I think it would be prudent to temper one’s expectations to the game developers overall gearing structure. I.E., You’re not going to get the best stuff without doing the harder stuff. The group stuff.

I’m all for advocating for things but sometimes you just need to branch out and stop making excuses for yourself about the toxicity that happens once in a Blue Moon.

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I fully agree that the best loot should come from organized group content, I would just like to see some level of solo progression that isn’t restricted to open world rare farming. As I mentioned before, a deep dungeon system like Torghast could have been a very interesting way of implementing it. I don’t like the idea of giving away power without some level of challenge to acquire it.

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Actually, I took a swim in the pool the last couple hours with my kids. I feel so refreshed. Moving and getting sunshine. You should try it out.

Then I had a turkey sandwich on potato bread w/fresh tomato and lettuce with some Tony’s season sprinkled on…divine.

Oh yeah man, so embarrassed! hahahaha. Thank you for the laugh. I don’t have to go around bragging or chasing scores anymore, Mr. Terrible mog/2.5k io person. And even when I was gud, I rarely bragged and laughed at the mouth foaming basement dwellers who put so much of their worth into one video game. Yikes.

Shreds, I laughed so much at your image. xD

I’m on my phone and can’t quote rn.

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There are other MMOs out there with the type of content you’re looking for

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I’m not drunk right now, but I kind of wish I was, TBH. I’d be enjoying my afternoon more, I can assure you of that.

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This sort of comment is not helpful. Did you feel that it was helpful when you were typing it? This game is literally inked into my flesh. I will be buried in a Horde casket. Do you understand what I’m saying? I’m here to stay. Long, long after you’re gone. I’ve been here since WoW launched, and when you pry my cold dead hands open to salvage my warglaives, a pile of WoW tokens will fall to the floor.

Going to a different game was never an option presented here. I’m not sure what gave you the notion that it was. This thread is about ensuring that the previously-established standard for solo play is respected and maintained going forward and improving upon that standard in whatever ways are both practical and possible.

You are free to disagree with me. I invite you to write out as long-winded a post as you wish detailing exactly why you would oppose my suggestion, but you can get the “other games” idea out of your head. For all intents and purposes, I’m a tree. If WoW should set on fire, I’ll go up like Teldrassil.

The conversation will continue, like it or not. Participate however you wish - I just wanted to let you know how your previous suggestion was received.

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Can you TLDR that? I don’t really care enough about your struggles to read 4 paragraphs of reply

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But yeah, a solo pillar would be interesting…

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Not without catching a ban.

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It would prob be better off for you, you can go check out other MMOs that better suit your tastes

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