I demand a refund on the Nightfall I crafted

[Limejello-atiesh]

@Bonerover-stormreaver-904154

Loyal to a corporation… I’ll never understand why

If a corporation provides a good product and good customer service, why wouldn’t I be loyal? What, I’m gonna chuck that out the window and try some other company just… because?

[Drain-windseeker]

Blizzard is not going to refund you squat. Next time do your research before spending a fortune on something.

[Atlýss-wyrmrest-accord]

@Bonerover-stormreaver-904154

Loyal to a corporation… I’ll never understand why.

I don’t hold any loyalty to Blizzard. They just haven’t screwed me over and continue to provide me with a service I enjoy.

[Kerg-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Fight Club has a list of weapons that they’ve tested on their discord. They have Nightfall at 1.374 PPM.

Annihilator is also pretty underwhelming at 1.059 PPM.

The proc rates on these weapons were tuned way too high on private servers and they became the META. But I’m fine with them being at a more reasonable rate.

This game already has too many OP buffs. I think one of the things TBC did right was placing strict limits on the buffs you can get and stack… it’s kind of ridiculous in Classic, IMO. For dps, this game is more about buffs than gear and skill, which is not a good thing, IMO.

[Gatecrash-emerald-dream (Gatecrash)]

If Nightfall is bugged and not proccing as often as it did in Vanilla, do you think it’s rational to assume that current Nightfall owners would not want it fixed?

Emotional lesson? Seems there’s a lesson in basic logic here as well. I understand your point; it does not apply here.

[Frosto-faerlina]

@Delmok-mankrik

we want our thousands of gold back (not just for the weapon, but funneling rep items we could have instead sold).

How about this raid team? Can they have their time invested in raiding with Ret paladins back, too?

@Veshzi-deviate-delight

I’m in a guild with 3 raid teams, all of which smash BWL around the 60min mark each week. Each team has exactly 1 ret pally, which we allowed (at the time) because we knew they would be swinging the nightfall. We even prio’ed Hand of Rag to them as a consolation for their dirty work.

The proc rate is garbage, and its even worse when its being used by a ret paladin, that basically can only stand there and ‘right-click’ most of the time. Even a warrior spamming hamstring is 3x better at this than a ret pally.

[Gatecrash-emerald-dream (Gatecrash)]

That company is not loyal to you in return, which just makes you a sucker. Corporations are not your friends.

[Lowphat-westfall]

@Gatecrash-emerald-dream

If Nightfall is bugged and not proccing as often as it did in Vanilla, do you think it’s rational to assume that current Nightfall owners would not want it fixed?

Emotional lesson? Seems there’s a lesson in basic logic here as well. I understand your point; it does not apply here.

This would be the appropriate time to say ‘you think you do, but you don’t’ when you try to reference Vanilla as your expectation.

Fixed? Who said this isn’t doing exactly what Blizzard wants?

[Gatecrash-emerald-dream (Gatecrash)]

…What? What does that quote have to do with a potentially incorrect proc value? That was a quote from before Classic was announced. Blizzard have obviously reneged on that position since, and have stated they want Classic to be a close approximation of Vanilla. We have seen them make adjustments to the game when they see fit, but small balance adjustments to items are not one of them.

Assuming that Nightfall is proccing incorrectly (I have no idea whether it is), what do you think is more likely: Blizzard wanted this specific item, out of the thousands of items in Classic that are exact replicas of their Vanilla counterparts, to receive a minor adjustment; or it’s bugged.

[Xj-faerlina]

@Delmok-mankrik

I could just take the proc rates I had experienced

The proc rate was never nerfed. The change was it had a chance to fail on targets over level 60 in 2.4.2, because it started becoming meta again given how many casters a TBC raid comp usually runs with and percentages never lose their value. How about instead of complaining and taking the entitled “GIMMIE MY STUFF BACK” approach you actually record you swinging it on raid bosses and noting the miss on the proc which should not be happening and ask them to adjust it to be more in line with the Vanilla form of the thing.

Another example of percentage damage weapons being ridiculously powerful and transcending item level was Black Bruise which people used into Dazar’alor all the way into BFA for offhand because it gave your attacks like 12% bonus shadow damage. Harder you hit, the more value and your offhand in BFA was worthless mostly for any one hand dual wielding class.

[Thundathighs-remulos]

You’re doing it wrong.

Our tanks have alot higher than a 2ppm on their uptime. I checked one of you logs and theres 11 procs on a 8 min nef kill but once you factor in downtime etc thats not too bad.

[Xj-faerlina]

@Gatecrash-emerald-dream

what do you think is more likely: Blizzard wanted this specific item, out of the thousands of items in Classic that are exact replicas of their Vanilla counterparts, to receive a minor adjustment; or it’s bugged.

Want me to answer that honestly? It’s equal odds for either answer with Blizzard. We’re talking about a company that went out of their way in MoP to nerf pvp boots that had no stats (Replica pvp pieces) because one guy was using them to a massive stat loss because “3 more seconds on sprint is OP” at a time when rogues had burst of speed already.

[Unadara-herod]

I support a higher PPM rate on nightfall.

[Eninya-heartseeker]

Annihilator lasts, like, 45 seconds, though. However, the proc (Armor Shatter) can be resisted, since it’s a spell for some reason. I get relatively consistent uptime when I stack hit up to 13% for it when I know I won’t be tanking.

[Antirogue-kirtonos]

entitlement to a proper game when we pay 15 dollars per month? yes pls.

[Michaeas-remulos]

@Robokappa-sargeras

we minmax less and enjoy the game more.

it’s pretty cool.

And the game would be SO much better if more and more people did this rather than attempting to use the Retail mindset on Classic.

Thanks.

[Gythriel-windseeker]

@Unadara-herod

I support a higher PPM rate on nightfall.

I support Druids being able to dual wield with titan’s grip
Does not mean it should actually be

[Thundathighs-remulos]

@Gythriel-windseeker

I support Druids being able to dual wield with titan’s grip

I still think warriors should be able to dual wield enhancement shamans dual wielding their wolves.

[Brainz-westfall]

@Delmok-mankrik

It’s not entitlement. Blizzard has clearly made a mistake. The evidence is quite clear from the bug report thread.

There is no playbook for what could happen re-releasing a 15 year old game. It really is understandable the issues we are having today. It was almost going to be impossible to “recreate” experiences from long ago.

[Bozho-frostmourne]

Did you keep your receipt? You didn’t?.. Oh, dear…