Ally are winning all epics except Ashran .
I might be alone in this but I’d like to see it go the other way. DPS/tanks should be generally less reliant on heals because right now, healers and both gods and universal ‘must kill ASAP’ priority targets simultaneously. It doesn’t make for good gameplay and teams with fewer healers or even just undergeared ones are at too severe a disadvantage.
Friendly healers on your team should be more of a welcomed sight and less of an absolute necessity imo.
Someone admitting they were wrong on the forums?!
WHAT IS THIS!?!?
On topic, I have several alts that I try to play, and when I log on, I instantly feel like I have a literal mountain of catch-up to do
Cloak
Gear
Essences
Azerite traits
Corruptions
Echoes farming
Visions
It’s just so much. Lord help you if you’re a pvper. Almost all that catch up is PvE
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Try again, but with English?
he obviously meant to type are
they are both gods and universal priority targets
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too drunk to try to read the context.
You are talking in the context of current game, what I am talking about is people returning to their roles, which would change the context of how things work.
Also I am not the biggest fan about balancing around fresh toons, I still believe in the progression system and should definitely have to earn your gear set.
It was one of the ways someone could judge that you at least pvped some to get to that point and not just farmed m+ for a weekend.
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how are you dying in the questline, it’s so easy lol.
i did it in 410 gear.
i came back last week, went from 440 item lvl to 464 in a few days, and my cloak is only rank 6.
ez game.
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First time in like 10 years.
Was 280 ilvl when I wrote this 
. Easily cleared it after hitting 310 ilvl.
If you’re not being sarcastic, then props to you, Jugs. It takes a big person to admit being wrong (we know blizz doesn’t do it enough). I have to ask though, is it your personal power level that you have an issue with as a new alt doing the cloak quest?
My beef is with the catch-up. Forget the endless grinding for coalescing visions, mementos, echoes and then grinding visions/m+/raids - it’s that my alts won’t catch up to someone that started the cloak quest earlier.
Heck even my main is about 2 or 3 weeks of malefic cores behind the people who have max corruption resist. I get an itch to play an alt and it’s immediately gone when I log in and see what I need to do. 
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It’s easy to gear up… but you actually gotta do stuff other than bgs…
Ngl op was the biggest white knight on these forums. Glad to see you came to realize how much of a joke gearing in bfa is.
I do think they’ve mostly listened to feedback for shadowlands and I think it will improve a lot so that’s good.
That was basically it. Things got much better last night. Finished the cloak quest, got up to 427 ilvl. Neck is 77.
Now do some BG’s with those numbers and let us know if you still feel like gear isn’t super important.
I plan to tonight. Already did quite a few epics on it for the CP (and the 150 cp quests)
Nuh uh 
I’m not referring to safely backlining in 40-mans on a ranged DPS class, I’m talking about BG’s where you’re required to get into the thick of it. ToK comes to mind but really any non-epic will give you a better picture of how important/trivial gear is in 8.3.
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Yea, I said I’m going to tonight.
What’s your cloak level at? Keep me posted in this thread, if you can. I’d like to get a perspective on how long it takes from someone with different play time / schedule than I.
Cloak is level 5. I have 12 hours played at 120 so far