I am surprised that Dark Ranger is getting reworked first

He said there is a consensus that BM AoE damage will be on par with MM AoE damage based on PTR data, after November update, by the TSL discord and Hunter pro players. Both statements are lies. Azortharion, for instance, is saying in his videos that BM will need further “fixes” and is not on par with MM AoE damage at all…

Can you show me any proof of any pro hunter saying that BM AoE damage will be on par with MM AoE damage after November update? I don’t think you can… Nor is it a “consensus” in the Trueshot Lodge discord…

I get what you’re saying but it’s a very lame tree for Survival. imo of course.

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I was talking about BM being buffed overall because I am testing on ptr too and BM is stronger on ptr than live. I didn’t realize we were comparing to MM. In general though it will make BM stronger in keys which I recall reading in the ptr discussion on that discord. My apologies for confusion I was refering to more further above. Not direct comparisons to other specs. Just comparing BM ptr to BM live.

Yep he said BM would be on par with MM, and the context suggests we’re talking about AoE.

All good, you act in good faith when you realized I was referring to the “BM on par with MM” statement he made.

Pun intended?

[Spitting Cobra]

[When Bestial Wrath ends, summon a Spitting Cobra to aid you in combat for 15 sec. Each Cobra Shot used during Bestial Wrath increases the damage this Spitting Cobra deals by 10%.]

Was introduced in Legion and it seems to been removed in DF.

Its because Dark ranger is shared between MM and BM and pack is between survival and BM and nobody plays survival, i am not surprised.

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I just want them to put some effort into Pack Leader. It’s like they just randomly tossed it in there because they needed a second one fully intending on everyone only picking Dark Ranger.

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the real crime is sv not getting dark ranger

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yea it must be

BM-sentinel +pack leader
MM-Sentinel+Dark ranger
SV -Pack leader-Dark Ranger

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The visuals are key of course. They need to hit a balance between something we can see and appreciate and something that actually does damage or fires its effect immediately, which has been a problem with most of the “BM summons more, temporary pets” thing for a while now. Fortunately Dire Beasts etc. basically fly at the target, so their time ON target is much higher than if they had to spawn at hunter, start running (or even Dashing) toward the target, engage, and start damage… as they did back in, uh, BFA I think? It’s been a bit.

The more I look at it the more I see a talent like Huntmaster’s Call as something that should capstone the Pack Leader tree. It’s another pet, it’s a big buff to existing pets, it’s a legendary beast, etc. But it’s weirdly hanging out in the stock BM tree.

A Rhino providing more punch for Bursting Shot… or a ghostly King Mukla appearing, hugely, briefly, whenever Stomp fires off could be cool. Maybe when you engage Aspect of the Cheetah, actual cheetahs appear to run in a pack with you and provide some additional boost, etc. The gory visuals that are used in the Lynx Rescue quest, when you sic a lynx on a target… visual stuff like that would be nice to see. Some of these even feel like Glyph effects if we’re just talking visuals, so they’ll HAVE to come with a functional change as well.

Heck, “Animal Companion” granting the additional pet without the 35% nerf almost feels like a Pack Leader type of talent at this point.

Whoever sat down and said “let me take a crack at Dark Ranger” hopefully has some energy for “Pack Leader” too, because it seems they really poured more of the fantasy into the hero spec. Back to the drawing boar (hah) indeed.

Because thrown explosives and melee attacks are oh so reminiscent of the hero on which the Dark Ranger hero talents are based?

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uhh chud black arrow? sv’s old signature ability???

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they reworked survival 10 years ago in legion and removed black arrow and the range aspect from survival and completely redesigned it to be the melee\more pet focused spec it is today.

MM has more (old school survival spells) than the new survival does. Its been redesigned :slight_smile:

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it would fit like a glove now that its replacing kill shot

Dark Rangers carry melee weapons, and use them on rare occasions. Survival Hunter is a mixture of few melee abilities with mostly range abilities. The one ability that connects Pack Leader to BM and SV is Kill Command, which are not even used for the same reasons.

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change bombs visual to shadow theme
tar trap to - spider silk
exploding traps to plague theme
ice trap cocoon or iron cage

Those we actually fight are also low level mobs with scarcely more than auto attacks. Should Dark Ranger then do the same?

Again, they’re Hero Talents, explicitly based around former Hero units or key heroes in the WoW lore.

You will not find a Slayer or Mountain Thane or Colossus NPC. You will not find a Farseer or Totemic or Herald or Scalecommander NPC with anything fitting the name. But you will find WC3 hero units, HotS heroes, and WoW key NPCs with skills and lore actually befitting the name.

Which has had nothing to do with SV for a majority of the spec’s existence by now (2004-2008, 2016-2024)?

dark ranger should be its own class rather than a hero talent tree imo

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dark ranger/void hunter/shadow hunter :frowning:

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