A small token force and town militia… The Night Elf military wasn’t there. That’s why the Night Elves can fight for Darkshore without Alliance aid (Except for Genn)
In fact, Elegy explicitly says the Horde would have failed miserably if Tyrande and the rest of the army was there.
Historically, Orc vs NE has not gone well for the NEs…
Thrall is by no mean Narcissistic, narcissists aren’t known for their patience and as a character he has shown great patience with Garrosh in particular (who derided Thralls character his face on numerous occasions, like the Argent Tournament, or the cutscene for Ulduar’s discovery.) I think the issue is that, like alot of people have commented above, the story took a backseat for gameplay.
It has every time, actually. The Orcs lost far more warriors and resources fighting Cenarius than the Night Elves did, magnified by Thrall’s needing to deal with a now Fel crazed Warsong clan.
Night Elves won Ashenvale and Stonetalon in Cata, and broke down the gates of Ogrimmar in MoP.
Yeah, because a small token town force comprises ancients and massive armies. It’s like you’ve completely forgotten the dailies.
Don’t worry, I haven’t.
WC3: Orcs are defeated.
Classic: Nelves do not defeat orcs at all, in any way, shape, or form.
War of the Wolf: Nelves are defeated, saved by Varian.
Cataclysm: Nelves are defeated, saved by the player character.
Battle for Azeroth: Nelves are defeated.
Didn’t mean to double post. Lord do I hate these new forums.
Read elegy dude… Do the questing Alliance side… We rally the militia. The Ships are described as a token force… The bulk of the Kaldorei army wasn’t there. Shandris wasn’t there and she was leading the army…
There also wasn’t much going on aside from some skirmishing.
Wrong, Night Elves defeat the Horde on all front.
Wrong, the War of Thorns was a military blunder, and Sylvanas commits genocide.
Uh no. Then night elves were utterly defeated all the way to Darkshore until the player shows up and saves the day. The player doesn’t have to be a night elf either.
Mine was a Dwarf.
… If this doesn’t count as defeat for you, there is no argument to be had. You’ve got earplugs in, a blindfold on, and you’re screaming to ensure you can hear no argument outside of your headcanon.
But the player could have been, so that’s inconclusive.
This is still not true though, presence of battle in the area does not mean one side is winning nor losing. Especially when you consider Night Elves as a mobile guerrilla army that aims to stretch out supply lines and encircle and slaughter blitzing armies. We have no reason to think the Night Elves were losing, and in fact, the quest chain itself is the Alliance defeating the Horde in those areas.
We are arguing the intellect of the orcs, and your evidence against it was to bring up one of the Horde’s worst military blunders in their history, where they nearly failed to defeat a small, token force of Night Elves and their local militia, failed every military objective they had, and commit the worse genocide in a hissy fit about their failure.
See, this is like when you edited wowpedia with lies. It wasn’t the military that kept the orcs out.
It was Malfurion Stormrage, who is more powerful than the demigods he worships.
Lol, I have never updated a WoWpedia page, and I am willing to prove it with the WoWpedia admins and my IP Address, try me.
You are moving the goal post because you’ve realized you are wrong.
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So…?
Thrall is an Orc. To him, Orc lives > Human lives
That’s just common sense.
Point of order: It wasn’t called Durotar until after the orcs settled there.
Narcissists are Vain(caring about others’ opinions) not Proud(high self esteem). If anything Pride to the point where one never takes responsibility(even if they feel bad for it) for one’s mistakes is Sociopathy and Psychopathy!
Shamanism isn’t exactly nature loving, the elemental spirits of Dreanor have a blood feud with the nature spirits of their world. In fact the Orcs are the descendants of Grond, an enormous elemental who was designed to obliterate the forests of Dreanor before they could consume and kill every trace of life on the planet, including itself.
I think it worth clarifying that what nature dictates wouldn’t fit what some people want. Draenor’s natural situation would have led to all life on the planet dying. What is and isn’t natural isn’t always the best guide.
Side note, I always find it weird that druids go on and on about nature. Yet, the Emerald Dream and designs they follow are (in some sources) constructs of the Titans.
Hilariously, one of those sources is Malfurion himself who states in Legion that the Emerald Dream was the Titans playground, there aren’t really that many ‘natural’ things on Azeroth save in the loosest sense of the word.
Nature is like, just a concept dude, whoa.
Thrall isnt a sociopath or psychopath. He’s a leader, the best the Horde has had so far. Sociopaths wouldn’t take kindly Garrosh’s behavior either.
Thrall is a Human raised Orc who seemed like he would have been far happier serving the Alliance than the Horde.
He is completely at odds with the rest of his peoples entire culture and doesn’t understand them and their actions.
I see his actions In Cataclysm as giving up on the Horde and any hopes of peace so handed the Horde to Garrosh who he knew would lead the world to war. Regardless of his reasoning this wasn’t a good call and that decision caused a world war which prevented the factions working together to defeat Deathwing and other world threats.
I liked him in Warcraft 3 however the writers have ruined him. He has has becoming a character defined by poor decisions.
I think his point is, there was a plan, NE fell for it. If Orcs are stupid and NE fell for an Orc lead plan what’s that make you?