who cares? none of this content is challenging and was beaten years ago without half the min-maxxing we do now.
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His sapper charges and dynamite collectively add far more damage than his âlolmelee.â
Itâll likely be a roll for PvP in my guild. We rolled all 2hs in MC.
he has a point
His top magmadar parse had 95.3 dps (out of 828.1 dps) added from raptor strike and 6.8 dps added from engineering.
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Yeah, if only a BRE would drop âŠ
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At least in the case of hunter melee weave min-maxxing you arenât just getting slightly better numbers out of the effort. You get a complete change in playstyle and it makes the gameplay more engaging.
Also I love how samboukiâs entire argument was originally âlook at my logs, Iâm good and therefore Iâm rightâ and when someone comes in that weaves and has significantly better logs it became âhe uses sappers therefore his argument is invalidâ.
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Except in most guilds non hunters get prio over hunters on every single ranged weapon too- other than the xbow of smiting since it has RAP. Basically in MC, hunters get the leaf- in BWL, hunters get smiting and thatâs it.
The whole âbut hunters get ranged prioâ is basically not followed by anyone- ashkandi is one of the few items that is definitely hunter prio.
There are probably guilds that have had multiple BREs and multiple SRs drop.
Those guilds can re-prioritize ashkandi to a hunter.
But thatâs probably the exception and not the rule. The first guild I joined in classic hasnât had any BREs drop in 4 months of clearing Rag. My current guild of around 7 weeks hasnât gotten it to drop either.
Ashkandi will definitely be going to a warrior unless we get a bunch of good drops fast. Iâd imagine most guilds are in a similar situation.
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I honestly have no clue why so many hunters are creating this mental block on weaving. They fear growth and change, truly.
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Can you get enough Agi to make that SV MM Hybrid viable? I thought the breakpoint was late AQ40 around 450 bonus agi but itâs been a long time.
If you have a fantastic hunter that knows how to melee weave there might be a case for the 2h but otherwise just no.
This is generally due to loot realities. You usually get enough crossbows for your hunters.
Getting enough stat sticks for your Melees, and melee weapons for your Melees on the other hand proves quite a challenge.
There are more melees in most raids by far than hunters. If we have hunters take a progressive upgrade path, you end up throwing away several weapons.
Even if you have your Melees just take whatever they can get out of everything that drops, and restrict Hunters heavily itâs not uncommon to see them using dungeon blue bows, and last tier weapons a lot of the time while Hunters are decked out because there isnt enough loot produced to gear all the melees.
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Except your warriors arenât using 2hd weapons in raiding ever, and if they are then your guild doesnât care about min/maxing so either a hunter or warrior should be eligible anyway- and a shammy and pally too.
If anyone is using a 2hd weapon in a min/max guild, theyâre using nightfall/BRE for the procs specifically. Ashkandi is basically the one 2hd in BWL that goes to hunters.
Meanwhile, strikers, blastershot, dragonbreath, heartstriker are all going to rogues/warriors. Effectively- hunters end up with dibs on the leaf in MC (obviously), and ash/ash sword/xbow in BWL. Warriors, rogues get everything else.
Ultimately, itâll depend on guild goals- but if youâre not setting aside even a single weapon for them in favour of giving it to warriors doing meme specs, you really should just admit you donât care about the hunters in your guild to begin with.
I think youâll find that most people value a PVP weapon on a Warrior/Paladin/Shaman more than they value a PVE stat stick on a Hunter.
Maybe not in a pure PVE guild on a PVE server. But on PVP servers or guilds that have PVP/BG players, thatâs usually the case.
Itâs a degree of use thing. Putting a melee upgrade on a hunter for pvp makes very little difference compared to how badly you gimp your melee by passing them over.
This is where guild loot policy and being absolutely clear with said policy when recruiting people is critical. That way, proper expectations are set and people that disagree can find a guild that suits their needs better.
Trying to change guild policy after the fact usually causes drama and possible guild fracturing.
Wrong. Iâve pulled over 450 dps not even in full bis gear with the physical damage ret build. Itâs viable just takes a ridiculous amount of time invested in consumable and buff farming. And a lot of gold. Most players should not do it but it can be done.
I remember clearing bwl with zero fury wars back in 2005. Min max is heplful, but not required
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We used to laugh at fury wars back then pretty much. They were the definition of get 2 shot by actual pvp builds lol.
Me and just one of our Pally healers back then(in proper plate tier gear, not this healing PVE cloth/leather) would wipe the floor with entire PVE groups by ourselves.
I always showed up to raid in my PVP gear and a 2hander, with my tank gear and 1h/shield in my bags to swap to if they wanted me to tank for a fight.
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The real issue here is warrior players think they are special snowflakes with ALL gear. Just because you think it can benifit 1 class more then it would another is your opinion and shouldnât be imposed on others. The exception to this is if it directly helps with the guilds raiding progression.
2handers are generally OS items for warriors and Iâd say 98% of hunters whom donât melee weave. There should be no priority on items not used in a raid environment. In the situation where a hunter does melee weave effectively then they should have priority.
If your guild is highly pvp focused and doing guild premades consistantly to get ranked items to progress the guild further that would also be an exception. But even then Iâd rather hunters in my AB premades have a good melee weapon so they can effectively guard nodes, a good 2hander on a hunter could literally be a defining moment between a win and a loss.
Lokâdelar is perfectly adequate for that purpose. It hits pretty hard, slow, and is guaranteed to hunters who bother raiding at all. There is no world in which you should give a hunter a melee weapon for pvp over a melee class for pvp.
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Yes a warrior should have it over a hunter if the whole guild is pvp focused. If not itâs free game.