Is this a DPS issue? As in, if all pets did the same DPS, but their family was more about non-DPS options, would this solve your issue?
What youâre inferring is for no specs to exist. If you donât know how Hunters work, Iâd suggest playing one before you comment.
Whatâs the misunderstanding? The thread is literally about DPS .
Laziness!..
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Youâve proven you donât even understand how pet specs and families work. So you have no room to comment on how it should be or removing things. Have a nice day.
Oh well. Have a day.
Iâll keep commenting though, itâs weird to gatekeep.
You are only thinking of it from one perspective. Letting us change the spec of our pets opens our options from dozens of pets to hundreds and you would see hunters using a much wider variety of pets which is more interesting than how it currently is where ferocity is simply better for most things or you sacrifice that to choose something you like outside that spec.
You donât seem to understand, letting us use whatever pet we wanted with the spec we wanted increases variety, not lessens it. For example, a ferocity clefthoof pet is functionally a better tank pet than any actual tenacity tank pets like a bear, so what is even the point to begin with?
I can agree with this.
What are your thoughts on adding more special abilities? (Similar to oldschool pet taming where different NPCs can have different special abilities.) The idea being you can collect pet abilities and any pet you use will have access to that ability in the future. (Discover an ability by taming a specific type of creature, and add it to a library.)
Give hunters a reason to find and collect pets. But also not force the hunter to use any one pet.
I was attacking the idea of Ferocity pets, but not wanting to axe specs. Iâm in agreement that you should not be basing your pet choice on DPS. But certain types of utility, provided with pet specs, is still something Iâd want to support.
So i agree with this as well. (I didnt mean to suggest that Ferocity being the âDPS optionâ was good, just the idea of pet specs is good in general. Utility options makes for a better choice than DPS throughput.)
No way one could say that. lol.
You created a character as a persona and it should be customizable to fit that persona.
NONE of the ferocity pets fit ANY characters Ive ever made since they took away our pet specs.
I have to settle for crap pets that dont look like anything the character would want.
This is very much a ROLE playing aspect of those hunter characters for MANY of us.
for most of us its the choice of ferocity pets being the best, and anyone saying otherwise isnt really a hunter player who spends a lot of time with the class.
The other two pet types are a total joke by comparisonâŠleech IS the way to go.
We had that when we had specsâŠnow we dont.
now we have to either take a sub par pet if we want to have it fit the characterâŠor we take the 1/3 of good pets that are ferocity and have some Frankenstein mismatch of hunter and pet.
Personally, i dont even comprehend the point of the other pet types. Ferocity/leech is best. Why bother with some tiny speed bonus or a few percent of health increase?
the speed can be talented so the pet bonus isnt needed.
The health bonus is a total joke because youre certainly better off with healing incoming during the duration of the fight than getting a little higher health cap.
If there ever was any confusionâŠEASILY fixed now by just making ALL pets âferocityâ then no one can whine about not being able to figure it out.
I REALLY want to play that Dwarf with the big hounds from EKâs but it just feels bad without ferocity.
On paper itâs a good idea but blizzard has never done a good job of implementing it. Like I mentioned before, there was a time period when wolves had an ability called furious howl and if you raided, you brought a wolf, thatâs it. All these years later and it isnât much different. Other players donât look at my pet choice as unique or interesting, all they care about is whether or not it has lust. And if Iâm out in the world say soloing a rare, Iâm not using a tenacity or cunning pet to do it because they are worse at it than ferocity.
I donât think you need to give us more reasons to tame more pets. Make it look cool and weâll go get it, itâs that simple.
Again, they might sound good on paper, but in practice are implemented badly. Cunning pets have some niche utility in pvp and extremely niche utility in pve. Thereâs almost never a gameplay based reason to use one if you are a mostly solo/world/lfr player like myself. Same goes for tenacity pets. Their buff has slightly more usefulness but like I said, if Iâm soloing a rare, a tenacity pet is actually worse at surviving than a ferocity pet so tenacity might as well not even exist. I never have a gameplay based reason to use one either, so 2/3rds of the pets in the game are functionally useless to me. Not great design but in the past we could just change the spec and avoid the problem. Blizzard removing that option was one of the dumbest things they did with the class.
Doesnât bother me since based on my name you can guess the type of pets I use >.> soooo. Now having said that Iâm torn on this. Cause a large armored pet with tiny legs unable to move or attack quickly shouldnât be able to be ferocious no? But then also I donât see the issue with it. Their just pets. Who cares. They still attacking the targets.
I miss being able to change my petsâ roles; you used to see a LOT more variety in pets back when they were swappable⊠
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This was actually something that hunters had, and then was taken away with an excuse of an excuse like âit created hidden information in pvpâ - like can we stop with the dang esports already Blizz? I want to play a GAME (though it seems that is what Era is for).
Honestly if the savage raiding scene wasnât so salty thereâs times I think Iâd have stuck with FFXIV, although to be fair I did mostly enjoy Shadowlands even despite this - and Shadowlands was where you felt it the most as I leveled up with my pretty dual red mana serpent pets that I actually managed to tame both of on the same day, how lucky is that, seeing for reference thereâs only ONE place to get that pet. Then I got to 60 and found it was practically impossible to do Torghast sanely with cunning pets, especially early on when Torghast hadnât been nerfed yet and WDYM I CANâT CHANGE IT AWAY FROM CUNNING LIKE I USED TO BE ABLE TO BLIZZ. So I had to spend the rest of the season using my rare wasp tame from BFA and eventually I just stopped playing this character and switched to my Mage for S2-S3 SL âŠ
And really, hunters arenât in that great a place right now to my understanding.
They were already a big step down in SL from BFA (especially BM, pretty much only MM hunters really had it good).
Then later on they made pet micromanagement more of a thing (specifically nerfing pet AoE resistance) which made the class more clunky and a legit liability in serious settings (now youâre likely losing/drifting DPS GCDs because of the time having to be spent clicking to move your pet around âŠ).
This on top of all the SL dungeons where you lost precious time in M+ having to stop and wait for the Dismiss Pet cast because standard mob skirts required you to jump over stuff that pets didnât know how to path around and would go and pull things if you didnât.
I mean, Iâll commiserate because youâre a warlock and I mained warlock for many years in the past and apart from Aff in Legion it seems like we get hit with the ugly stick uncountably often, which apparently was partly because of ugly corporate politics at Blizzard. But still, itâs not like hunters are the gods they used to be (unless you count them being comfy for solo questing but then arenât warlocks for that too?).
No way in hell. A hunter shouldnât be penalized because they decided to use Hati or a generic manasaber as their preferred spirit beast instead of camping Loqueânahak for hours and praying that someone else wonât beat them to it.
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Lots of these seem to end up as exotics. What are your thoughts on the idea of âshiny petsâ (al a Pokemon). For example (ignore if they already exist), Shadowform Wolf, Spectral Horse, Crab holding a knife, Otter with a Top Hat.
The idea being Exotics are remade into âunique modelsâ instead of some special Beast Mastery thing.
You said, make it cool. But just trying to understand if this would be a better direction.
To me, this sounds like an area to improve, rather than replace. Definitely needs more work and iteration. (Far more than theyâve given in recent years.)
This has been super informative. I appreciate the discussion. Best wishes. 
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I agree. I wish I could use any pet I want. I look at it as part of my transmog.
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so in other words Ionâs friends complained and corrupt game director ruined it for the majority of players.
These exist already but are relatively rare and some are base pet families so you donât need to be bm to tame them. Off the top of my head blizzard had some challenge tames where you had to do specific things to tame a pet with a unique one of a kind skin. You had the spiders in cata, the green wolf in WoD and a couple of unique looks in MoP that were hidden and had to be tracked. These were all fun and any time I get to test my skills as a hunter is always a welcome addition . Itâs just few and far between when blizzard does them.
Agreed.