Hunter Buffs Finally!

If you raid, isn’t it funny you see the whole raid at 100% or near to it, meanwhile, you’re into your third DCD and struggling to keep @ 30% health.

I don’t have the bow, it really is so ridiculous that I have a 421 bow and a LFR bow beats it. That being said, they’re sucking the fun out of actually getting it because they made it ridiculous RNG in the first place.

SV is in an amazing place during raids over the other two specs, especially on Raz.

When is this? Xmas or …?

"According to Wowhead, we can expect Patch 10.0.7 to drop early in April. " Is all I could find.

Balancing around it, then removing it was just bad. I would rather it not return and the loss of self sustain be made up elsewhere.

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I got similar static from a guildy of mine who’s to say the least, just not fantastic at the game. I ended up actually raiding as survival specifically because he was going on about how the class and spec is the most important thing in the game, and while that’s true to a degree, it’s not at his level, so I told my GM I was going to gear up my survival to prove a point to him.
We were joking around on trash up to Broodkeeper and our tank lost threat on a few things and I was promoted to surprise tank and said into discord “I am tanking, I am turtling, this is awful” because I, you know, had to stop dpsing.
This guy, (mind you he’s rerolled classes entirely based on like several 3-5% nerfs at this point) popped off saying “oh no you had to use your complete immunity while your pet still does damage and all I have is astral shift” (55% dr @ 1.5m CD on a class with insane offhealing btw)
My raid leader/GM couldn’t react fast enough to me immediately going on a tirade about how awful of a defensive turtle is these days, how it prevents me from doing my designated job (damage) in most cases outside of soaking immunity mechanics, it isn’t actually an immunity but a deflection, and the fact that Survival’s pet damage is absolutely inconsequential overall and it’s laughable that he even thought it was worth bringing up, and a class that can heal itself with overall better options has absolutely no business complaining about hunter defensives. All because he’s not good enough as a player to understand how classes work at a fundamental level.

God it’s no wonder we’re walled at Heroic Dathea.
Anyways thanks for reading my tangentially related rant about one of my bad guildies, and buff hunter defensives.

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It’s a bit hard to tell if that’s true on Razz from the current parses. Starting after the 90th percentile, BM and MM quickly overtake SV significantly on Razz. Of course, those could just be those with Razz bow and it could also be that your best performing Hunters will swap to whatever then would theoretically perform best post-bow, starving Survival of its would-be top parsers.

When Survival has only 5 recorded Razz parses out of 263 at time of writing, it’s… kinda hard to get a reliable picture.

Now, Dathea? Yeah, SV’s clearly balling there.

Leatherworker?

Not sure why you adamantly say it never healed us then proceed to say it healed us. It scaled with leech. I dont know how you were using it but it used to keep me alive during mythic raid encounters, it was wonderful. If you used 2 pets you got double the healing and it was literally able to be up (healing dot) full time if you really wanted it to be.

Leatherworkers make Bow of the Dragon Hunters. I am currently using it.

Yes but that has nothing to do with my comment. I got into the expansion a bit late and don’t make any gold off crafting the bow as my Inspiration is too low. I can make the bow but had to have someone else craft it for me to get the level I wanted.

The fact remains that the LW bow is not overpowered or broken compared to the Eng gun. Like how the Rasz bow is since it was unintentionally buffing pet attack speed too. They have the exact same Damage and stat budget, and the slightly faster attack speed of the bow only provides a tiny benefit to RNG procs.

It’s 1000% OK for one crafted item to be slightly better than another. Any and all demands that the LW bow be nerfed is just crying from spoiled brats.

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The LW bow at 418 is equivalent to every other weapon at 421 (except the raz bow).

Ah yes, because a measley 3 item levels is such a massive difference. (Insert Eye Roll) Yes the LW bow is better than the Eng gun. No one has said otherwise. But it is not OP, it is not broken, it does not need any nerf of any kind.

Other people in this thread have run the numbers and the DPS difference is less than 2% between the LW bow and Eng gun. That’s perfectly OK and anyone trying to pretend it’s not is literally just a cry baby. One item is allowed to be better than another.

Nerfing the bow to be equal to the gun will not result in anyone rushing to to replace their bow with the gun. There also won’t be any increased demand for players without the crafted bow to want the gun either. We are too late into this Tier for it to matter any more.

Anyone with the Rasz bow pre nerf will still use the Rasz bow post nerf.

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Because it’s not part of the spell.

If you have a Tenacity or Cunning pet and no Leech on gear, Mend Pet heals the Hunter for zero.

It’s a big enough difference to make both the engineering gun and every other 418 weapon drop feel bad.

2% is a lot for a single gear slot.

Maybe not. But it will mean that people can replace their crafted 418 with a 421 from the vault, like every other class can.

Why are we even talking about nerfing anything with hunters when we finally received a small buff and a nerf to the Rasz bow?

Please fix our survivability and lackluster abilities.

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No, just no. Stop posting. Get out of these forums. I never want to see you in my replies again. Your logic makes no sense. We can still get the Rasz bow from the Vault, so we still have an upgrade option. There is no other 421 bow from the raid that’s any good to begin with other than the Rasz bow. The only other bow in the raid as suboptimal stats that we don’t want in the firt place.

So are we supposed to be chasing Vault RNG for a max level Mythic+ bow? Guess what? Anyone running Mythic+ at a high enough level to get a 421 drop is going to want the best weapon, regardless of item level. Those players won’t care about an insignificant 3 item levels for a single item. Anyone geared enough to be running max level keys is likely to have the Rasz bow anyways. Making your point moot.

And the LW bow is LESS THAN a 2% increase over the Eng gun in simulations. That’s means 100% perfect circumstances and game play. Which means in reality it’s less than a 1% increase as there is no such fight or player in existence that allows for perfect game play like in a simulation. Sims don’t have boss mechanics to deal with. A sim executes every cast absolutely perfectly, people do not.

So stop crying about it. Seriously stop posting and go get life.

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Raiding is not the only source of gear.

If you learn to read, I talked about Mythic+ gear at length. Detailing how anyone who is geared enough to be running keys at a high enough level to get a 421 drop from the vault isn’t going to care about a 3 item level difference on a piece of gear. They want the best item regardless of ilvl. Those same players more likely than not already have the Rasz bow.

At this point it’s obvious you’re just a troll. I’m reporting literally every post you make in this thread and encourage everyone else to do the same.

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If everyone has the raz bow then it shouldn’t matter what nerfs occur to any other gear. You can’t even get your own angry rants to make sense.

The fact is that BOTDH will cop a nerf at some point (although probably not until season 2). You need to accept that it is an oversight and will be fixed.

No, you need to accept that it’s not an oversight and should not be nerfed. You’ve been warned and now this is just harassment. I will be making a ticket and you’ve been warned to stop replying with your troll nonsense.

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