Huge nerf to solo/outdoor gear progression in DF Season 1

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Turbokilla-caelestrasz

and can be achieved without the need of instanced or grouped content.

The mats drop in instanced content actually.

[Snozy-thrall]

@Angelicus-faerlina

Maybe you are a diamond in the rough. But you are outnumbered so heavily, it hardly matters.

I honestly think your experience with mplus players are the pretenders.

The 16+ higher group is waaaaaay more chill.

[Turbokilla-caelestrasz]

@Raiimir-stormrage

The mats drop in instanced content actually.

But can be sold/bought on AH?

[Moritz-proudmoore]

@Raiimir-stormrage

Yours is based on constantly wanting the game to be changed to adapt to you.

No, i prefer it when the games does not change from something i enjoy to something i do not.
I think that is reasonable.

I have also said that i am going to try the new way and see how it feels.

It really seems like you want to argue but im not sure why. Suppose it doesnt really matter though as ive no interest in a fight.

[Angelicus-faerlina]

@Snozy-thrall

Fotm is only a factor on groups you don’t want to be in anyways.

New players / under-geared players, and those we want to graduate from world content to pillar content … do not start at 15’s. They start in bronze hell.

[Eleusia-myzrael]

@Raiimir-stormrage

@Moritz-proudmoore

Not that strange to think blizzard could pick a design that works for world content and stick to it.

But it’s not a pillar of end game.

WoW devs have been nerfing world content gear for 2 expansions, and 3 patches in a row now. Even the pre-patch event gear is a downgrade compared to what we usually get (should be 278 and not 252).

Blizzard isn’t sticking to a standard to world gear because they want to nerf it to push players into instanced content with premade groups.

Before SL, open world content was in fact an endgame pillar that the devs respected and properly updated each season. This was before they even officially defined the three pillars of raids, dungeons, and PvP. The whole purpose of officially announcing the three pillars may have been to make it clear that they are no longer supporting world content progression and want to get people out of it.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Moritz-proudmoore

No, i prefer it when the games does not change from something i enjoy to something i do not.

But when you don’t enjoy it, you prefer that it changes again to something you do.

Blizzard doesn’t design the game for “Mortiz”. It has a large player base.

@Moritz-proudmoore

It really seems like you want to argue

You don’t have to reply to my posts.

If you don’t want to discuss something, don’t. But don’t accuse people you’re discussing with of just wanting to “argue”. By that token : so do you, since you’re arguing right now.

[Moritz-proudmoore]

@Raiimir-stormrage

But when you don’t enjoy it, you prefer that it changes again to something you do.

Yes. Im sure if they changed the game so that your content was no longer fun or rewarding youd have a few words on the topic yourself.

@Raiimir-stormrage

You don’t have to reply to my posts

And i will not be any longer

[Angelicus-faerlina]

@Raiimir-stormrage

You don’t have to reply to my posts.

If you don’t want to discuss something, don’t. But don’t accuse people you’re discussing with of just wanting to “argue”. By that token : so do you, since you’re arguing right now.

To be fair, you are rather confrontational.

[Sarama-firetree]

@Angelicus-faerlina

Say it’s a +3 you are doing. Do you invite the guy that overgears it, or the new guy?

For me, the closest to the key I’m doing who has at least done it on a similar level. The way overgeared one is more likely to get mad when I screw something up.

@Angelicus-faerlina

Start my own group, sure, new players have the confidence to do that. lol

Funny, they always managed it back when wow was at it’s peak.

@Angelicus-faerlina

But you are outnumbered so heavily, it hardly matters.

The how much of this is a real problem? If everyone’s overgeared and fotm, how many people are actually left out?

If it is a big issue, where’s the chill play whatever you want community? They can have guilds, in game communities, discords, friends lists… Use the resources available to find folks to play with.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Eleusia-myzrael

WoW devs have been nerfing world content gear for 2 expansions

After tremendously buffing it from what was available prior.

They went too far, it caused issues, they are dialing it back.

@Moritz-proudmoore

And i will not be any longer

Good, I prefer that that be accused of “arguing for argument’s sake” on a discussion forum of all places.

@Angelicus-faerlina

To be fair, you are rather confrontational

That’s not fair, since you’re equally if not more confrontational.

If you can’t stand discussion taking place, don’t go to discussion forums.

Easy concept.

[Merpish-sargeras]

@Varelai-area-52

That’s because Shadowlands’ open world wasn’t actually an open world, but instead a series of menial chores further bogged down by timegating systems.

If the content isn’t fun, why would you expect people to engage with it?

So then what kind of content do you want? What constitutes as fun to you? Because every time this discussion rears it’s head it almost always boils down to “I want really easy content that gives me great rewards.”

[Angelicus-faerlina]

@Sarama-firetree

Funny, they always managed it back when wow was at it’s peak.

LOL, brd runs for blueset back in the day were a massive trainwreck.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Merpish-sargeras

Because every time this discussion rears it’s head it almost always boils down to “I want really easy content that gives me great rewards.”

They want easy 1 mob kill quests that reward normal raid ilvl, and doing 4 of them for an emissary to give them heroic raid ilvl.

They’ve said as much many times.

[Pyri-shadowsong]

solo players: “we want solo progression to give us something to work toward over each patch/season”
blizz adds that
solo players: “no this takes too long”

solo players: “we’re not asking for mythic gear from helping turtles make it to the water, we just want some gear progression”
blizz adds that
solo players: “no the gear isn’t good enough”

[Eleusia-myzrael]

@Moritz-proudmoore

@Raiimir-stormrage

Yours is based on constantly wanting the game to be changed to adapt to you.

No, i prefer it when the games does not change from something i enjoy to something i do not.
I think that is reasonable.

WoW devs should be adapting their product or service to suit the changing needs of gamers, rather than intentionally creating friction in their product or service in order to make the gamers adapt to it.

WoW devs think too many players have been doing world content instead of the three pillars, so they are nerfing the rewards to manipulate the metrics.

[Angelicus-faerlina]

@Raiimir-stormrage

That’s not fair, since you’re equally if not more confrontational.

I adore you. And I can be confrontational. But that doesn’t mean I’m gonna leave that guy hanging. I agree with him.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Eleusia-myzrael

rather than intentionally creating friction in their product or service in order to make the gamers adapt to it.

The entire premise of a video game is creating friction, so that the player can overcome and get a dopamine rush out of it.

What you want seems to be more a movie or series. I hear Netflix is filled with frictionless content.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Eleusia-myzrael

No, he has the metrics and saw how many players were doing world content as their endgame in lieu of raids, dungeons, and PvP

Just because “casuals” choose to do world content in lieu of everything else does not make it a “Pillar of End-Game”. You keep referencing Ion, when he is the one who said there are three forms of end-game: Raids, M+, and PvP.

[Merpish-sargeras]

@Raiimir-stormrage

They want easy 1 mob kill quests that reward normal raid ilvl, and doing 4 of them for an emissary to give them heroic raid ilvl.

They’ve said as much many times.

They’ve said it in roundabout ways. I want them to actually vocalize it. I want the rest of the community to see, in not so subtle terms that the vast majority of “open world” players want nearly afkable content and earn BiS gear from doing it. That is their ideal world.