Huge nerf to solo/outdoor gear progression in DF Season 1

[Debbyfrowner-thrall]

Having world content gear scale to at least heroic raid should be a thing. It takes time but possible. Maybe even time gated

[Zapkaboom-azuresong]

@Critswalkin-cenarius

@Henaske-galakrond

How does it change YOUR gameplay experience if a casual gets the same gear you do?

People keep spouting this nonsense like it’s some sort of good argument. It is human nature to take the path of least resistance. If the easiest way to the best gear is grinding stupidly easy WQs that is what the end game will become. WOW will be a MMO where nobody actually plays together. That sound like a good game to you? So yes Johnny Soloplayer getting the best gear for WQ_EZLOL does in fact change a raider’s, or M+ player’s, or PVP player’s experience.

so what is the path of least resistance? ITT, we have people tell us the gear is the fun. others, the gear is incidental, the content is the fun. If you only raid to get the gear, couldnt they change that to something more fun? It seems you have fun keeping gear away from others, but that must be a minigame.

[Whitherlinn-myzrael]

@Sôsari-dalaran

Time is a resource you can never get back.

Glad you said that, so when someone puts in more time grinding hours of a week for one piece of loot. IT is worth more than 45min of the same keystrokes.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Bloodypaws-frostmourne

Yet here we are.

I’m playing on one monitor and typing on the other.

@Bloodypaws-frostmourne

if Blizzard stripped back raiding rewards then the roles would be quite reversed.

What do you mean by that?

@Chases-agamaggan

You’re a delusional person that’s who you are.

I am delusional because I said all players have access to game content and anyone and everyone can create their own groups?

I am delusional because I said players can choose to invite others in their skill/experience level and not intentionally bring carries?

[Bloodypaws-frostmourne]

@Sôsari-dalaran

What do you mean by that?

I’d imagine the raiders response would be less than sanguine.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Bloodypaws-frostmourne

I’d imagine the raiders response

To what?

[Chases-agamaggan]

I am beginning to think if people are using term carry as a derogatory comment towards other players.

[Snozy-thrall]

@Bloodypaws-frostmourne

You should lead with this in every reply you make because that’s all your arguments come down to.

Actually not really. Sorry you have no credibility on any aspects of the game.

@Chases-agamaggan

Carry is a made up term by toxic players like you.

No its not. When someone isnt performing they are a carry.

@Chases-agamaggan

When gearing is the only way to get any stronger. And you know what you’re a delusional person to think somehow people can get stronger without doing any group content by themselves and guess what this game is about gearing and that is how all the class get stronger. But sure use your derogatory words all you like but the matter of fact gearing is what helps your toon to get any stronger.

You are free to improve your gear by running your own groups. Only one holding you back is you.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Bloodypaws-frostmourne

I’d imagine the raiders response would be less than sanguine

I need you to explain what you meant by if things were reversed, I’m just having a hard time picturing what that would look like.

@Chases-agamaggan

I am beginning to think if people are using term carry as a derogatory comment towards other players

I am beginning to think you are confused too often.

[Zapkaboom-azuresong]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

@Flower-kelthuzad

What about this example?

Why do players go back and play single player RPGs that they’ve already beaten multiple times?

does anyone(sane) do that every week? Allthough I do know people that do resident evil runs and know every last hidden item by heart.

[Chases-agamaggan]

Say what you want this so called performance is starting to sound like degrading others for your own amusement.

[Gaffgarion-garrosh]

(Raises hand)

I tend to play Elder Scrolls: Oblivion at least once a year. Along with other games as well. Like Kingdom of Amalur: Reckoning, Dragon Age: Origins, and more.

Tis a fun time when I do.

[Chases-agamaggan]

Go ahead be that way since you want to support this type of I don’t know environment so be it. But if this game dies it’s because of your type of people and I bet most will blame your type of people because of it.

[Snozy-thrall]

@Bloodypaws-frostmourne

Lets be honest here, if Blizzard stripped back raiding rewards then the roles would be quite reversed.

You mean like they did in 9.1?

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Chases-agamaggan

Go ahead be that way since you want to support this type of I don’t know environment so be it. But if this does because of that most people will blame your type of people because of it

Can you at least try to be more coherent?

@Chases-agamaggan

Say what you want this so called performance is starting to sound like degrading others for your own amusement

Everyone started from somewhere. Many of us worked our way up and improved. We played with other players who were similarly experienced. Then there are others who try to skip difficulties by getting carried by others.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Bloodypaws-frostmourne

Anytime you do a keystone that isn’t yours.

Start a group.

@Eleusia-myzrael

SL / DF game systems themselves gatekeep players from not only content but also gear progression by requiring premade groups for the three pillars.

Start a group.

@Eleusia-myzrael

Then the premade groups gatekeep the content and gear progression by requiring a higher iLvl for the group than technically required or even rewarded by the content.

Start a group.

@Eleusia-myzrael

They may also only invite certain classes or specs to maximize performance.

Start a group.

@Eleusia-myzrael

Queued content, open world content, and soloable instances like Torghast or Visions are the only way to escape gatekeeping.

Or.

Start a group.

[Sylfia-moon-guard]

I have to wonder what the sentiment would evolve to (On both sides) if Blizzard implemented a queue finder for challenging, but not hardest content (IE: Normal / Heroic Raids, M+'s) And somehow being able to balance it well enough that similarly skilled players get put together to clear content. Obviously, keeping the manual option (As why wouldn’t you).

A hypothetical, but something I’m sure even the devs have thought about.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Sylfia-moon-guard

I have to wonder what the sentiment would evolve to (On both sides) if Blizzard implemented a queue finder for challenging, but not hardest content (IE: Normal / Heroic Raids, M+'s) And somehow being able to balance it well enough that similarly skilled players get put together to clear content.

Probably hysteria as you laugh at the fail compilations.

@Sylfia-moon-guard

A hypothetical, but something I’m sure even the devs have thought about.

Yeah, when they tried it back in Cataclysm. Pretty sure that boat has sailed now.

What you guys need to realise is you don’t need a queue.

You need to Start a group.

[Nadetta-moon-guard]

It must suck to be so grumpy all the time. Truly.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Nadetta-moon-guard

It must suck to be so grumpy all the time.

You know what sucks ?

Not Starting a group.

You know what brings joy to me ?

Starting a group.