Not possible. If players who do organized group content are 1% of the playerbase, the game is at least 5 times bigger than it was in wrath.
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Iâm having to get into arguments with fellow mythic+ players. I love the mythic+ community but we all have different opinions on how the game should be designed. Having the game only operate well for a small minority at the top isnât good design imo.
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Itâs a good thing Blizzard hasnât done that considering they pile rewards into so many discreet difficulty settings letting a massive range of player skill levels be able to participate and gear.
Thereâs a whole in-game tool full of guilds doing exactly that.
Thereâs LFG full of people looking for short-term social activities.
If people choose to play solo nobody should have to beg them to do group content when theyâre actively ignoring a ton of opportunities.
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I think whatâs really interesting is the amount of people in this thread who, not even three weeks ago, were saying normal is fine for open world content.
Fast forward to now, where theyâre saying open world doesnât deserve normal at all and that LFR is better for it.
Something tells me that these people arenât arguing because they actually agree with the change, but because they like stoking the flames these terrible design choices cause. They think itâs funny people are upset over it and rather than choosing to say âYeah this is actually stupid,â theyâre choosing to be inflammatory.
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Personally, Iâm not mad at normal level rewards, it benefits me. But I also see the value in making LFR and normal raid more relevant, and I know that LFR gear in SL is enough juice to make world content a cakewalk, so Iâm not particularly mad at the change.
LFR is already relevant. Itâs not like itâs a dead form of content in the game. Plenty of people do it. As Iâve said, this is either A. A non-issue that Blizzard is turning into an issue, or B. A way to prolong the amount of time people play since we no longer have the time-gated stacks of systems weâre forced to do.
Rewards-wise, LFR was only relevant to enchanters unless all you did was log in Tuesday, run LFR and log off till the next week.
LFRâs purpose has always been a story-driven experience. It is not meant to be anything other than that. That is how they pitched it back in Cataclysm, and thatâs how it has remained. Gear is supplementary. People who want gear get gear, people who want other things get other things.
I see no purpose behind this change other than to punish players for focusing on open world content and itâs pretty clear why theyâre doing it. It seems like every time we have a positive change being made to the game, Blizzard has to come in and screw it up somehow out of fear that their time-played metrics are going to be shortened. Remember when they removed titanforging because it was such a massive waste of time that served no purpose other than keeping us on the treadmill, and then at the start of Shadowlands we got an abhorrently balanced loot drop system where people were getting nothing in return?
This is no different. Blizzard is removing the many treadmills we got with open world content and replacing it with something equally bad, if not worse. Theyâre fixing a problem (one that really made no difference to the user-facing experience, mind you), and creating another one.
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Yet people are using it as a significant part of their endgame. If they were only doing it for the story, they would run it once and be done.
If people are using it as such then surely we can conclude that LFR is relevant, yes?
The content is⊠the rewards werenât. Now they will be.
And why do the rewards need to be relevant? Why canât they just be as they are? Everyone keeps saying LFR rewards are going to be relevant but have yet to offer a reason as to why thatâs so important over keeping open world progression as it was.
Canât speak for anyone else but I have more fun getting actual useable drops from killing bosses. Iâd much rather be sharding WQ stuff.
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Just described everything solo players arent.
Oh really Iâm a solo player and got Tower Ranger. Which Iâd argue does take at least a decent amount of dedication and skill.
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At best it might be medium difficulty.
Honestly, Iâm getting pretty sick and tired of all the elitism there is in this game. The WoW community is so incredibly toxic towards casual/solo players, itâs unreal. Itâs utterly repugnant. Apparently, if you donât play the game exactly as the elitists do, you donât deserve anything.
Before some ape pipes up and says, âThey just want loot for nothingâ let me rebut that point, because itâs entirely untrue. Just because someone doesnât participate in raiding, M+, or rated PVP doesnât mean that they want âLoot for nothing.â In most cases, what theyâd like is different alternative gear progression systems that better fit their playstyles.
I really donât think this is an unreasonable request in 2022. The game has only been out for 18 years. I think thatâs long enough of a wait for them to add some fresh alternative gear progression systems. If they donât (or wonât), then Iâm afraid theyâre going to wind up losing even more players - no matter how good DF looks like on the surface.
Sadly, I think itâs the same olâ Blizzard: theyâre going to shoot themselves in the foot at the last second. People were so hyped about DF⊠and now, theyâre having second thoughts, thanks to a lot of these recent changes. I know I am. I mean, what else are they going to screw up right before launch? It just goes to add clout to the various memes about Blizzard - e.g.: âFun detected.â
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How would you know? You havenât gotten it.
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I dont do content I dont enjoy. I dislike Torghast so I dont care about Torghast achievementâs.
IF needing an achievement was required for comments why do you comment about raiding or mplus?