This thread isn’t about mythic+ so we can change the subject
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This is likely true, but why can one be just a raid logger and get top gear when the solo/world player is on for more time, even if it is doing lesser content, then the one who is just on to raid?
I agree it should be a mix of time investment nad activities done, but the current set up is slanted too much towards content done, especially with the idea of buying runs.
This is why I hope the crafting system winds up being something that favors time investment over content done, at least as far as those who push hard into it are all but guaranteed to get a decent portion of the mats needed each week.
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I guess I can agree with that. Trying to argue what casual means is different to other people
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Blizzard sets the base difficulty. That difficulty is perceived differently from player to player. Relatively it can be challenging to some and easy to others. Regardless, Blizzard’s set base-difficulty determines the rewards. So it doesn’t matter if someone can raid-log as long as they can pass the content compared to a guild who needs to raid 2-3 nights for the entire tier.
Blizzard has set the solo-content to a base difficulty and determined that the progression path should end at the LFR level. This is likely because solo content needs to be easy enough for everyone to complete it.
Quite a few people get CE just logging in 3 nights for 3 hours and then not playing until next reset.
Quite a few “Casuals” have 2 maxed out accounts full of toons, all level 60, that they all drag through end game ZM stuff.
One of the problems WoW has is that you can play a lot and accomplish nothing. And you can focus a quite a bit and accomplish a lot in a short amount of time.
Because it’s not just about time spent, rather it’s about what you spend your time doing. If I fully clear Fated Mythic Sepulcher in 3 hours, I am rewarded with the gear that content has. If I spend 3 hours in the field killing Vombata, I’m rewarded with whatever that content has.
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8 hours a day is hardly playing for me. Sadly I’ve hardly accomplished anything in that time. Maybe one dungeon and a quest or two. I spend a lot of time on my phone
Spend your day as you like, but you are easily the most self admitted hardcore gamer I’ve run across on this thread. I suspect that of the people claiming to be casual, most of them likely put in the same amount of time in game that you do.
I wish I could sit at home and play games all day, and I’m jealous of that. With that said…if you have that much time to play and it still took you two weeks to get to 296. Dang. lol
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Two months*
Oh, right.
And here’s a major difference. If I don’t have something to do in WoW, I don’t log in.
I would rather see friends, spend time with my partner, play other games, catch up on work, or literally do anything else aside from be logged in for no reason.
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I feel the same but I don’t like booting up my computer and putting in my information and having to wait to log in. I just stay logged in all day
Every single patch since 9.1 is trying to come up with new gimmicks to force people into raiding—Domination Shards, tier set pieces dropping from actual content being exclusive to raiding, the slime cat mount, Dinars, boosted iLvls from certain pieces of raid gear, guaranteed BoE pieces….
And M+ has been made more difficult, and open world gearing has been nerfed to make raiding seem even better by comparison.
There is no set definition for casual, but Sôsari calling himself casual is like me calling myself a hardcore group content player. Hardly anyone is going to agree.
You are moving goalposts by adding those extra adjectives. You are hardcore if your playing 8 hours.
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I agree completely with Sosari. I got KSM 2nd week of S4 and haven’t logged in on my warrior in nearly a month. I got my gear and rating a couple of hours a night after work.
You’re confusing casual to mean something it doesn’t. I’m casual as hell, and I barely play. In fact, I’m stressing DF a bit as it’s launching at the busiest time of year for me. I still manage to be just good enough to achieve in game goals.
Ok but now 8 hours is considered hardcore… I am a casual player. I take my time when it comes to achieving things and like to sit back and enjoy the ride.
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But you did say
You argue 3 hours clearing a fated mythic raid vs. 3 hours killing Vombata, that is not the kind of thing that is being argued.
Try more 3 hours for a full clear of mythic fated Sepulcher for the gear from that vs. 15+ hours a week aiding the enlightened for a steady, if slow, upgrade path to no greater then heroic.
As long as one can spend less time for better gear, to the point where vastly more time is spent, it will never be a mix of time investment and activities completed. Time and content should provide the best gear, time OR content should proved lesser gear, with maybe content only edging ahead (I.E. time alone caps at base-mid heroic, content goes up to mid mythic).
I mean I spend a lot of time on WoW, I’d love it if I could use that time to work on upgrades, or filler pieces, for what I get in raid and/or M+. I put time into the higher content, but I also put time into world content, should I not be able to earn at least a currency to upgrade my raid gear from world content, even if it is at a horrible rate outside of raid?
Maybe the answer for the world content conundrum for ones like me is just give us the option to make world content our “valor farm”.
No. You’re a bad player. Playing full time hours poorly doesn’t mean you’re casual. It just means you spend a lot of time being bad. You’re absolutely not casual.
That’s the thing everything is completely subjective with 100 different definitions. If he wants to deny me from calling myself a casual then I can label him as hardcore.
I just press “Play” when I’m ready to play.