Honestly best solution would have been for Sylvanas not to try to MC the guy in the first place. Almost all Forsaken are former undead humans, so his past as a Second War veteran wasn’t the issue… He could’ve been a really good addition had he been, you know, actually welcomed into the Forsaken.
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Agreed. Him being brainwashed was super anti-forsaken and was a major red flag. Was kind of building off the story they were wanting to go with though XD
No more monarchy
The horde and forsaken shall be socialist democracies
Personally, I wouldn’t mind a council of 3 particular people to lead the Forsaken: Alonsus Faol, Natalie Seline, and Calia Menethil.
Each brings something unique but important to the Forsaken:
- Natalie Seline might initially seem like an odd choice, but she is the originator of the Cult of Forgotten Shadows - a very important religious aspect to the Forsaken. She provides a place for the Forsaken who delves deep into their darkness to find balance in it and not becoming lost to it.
- Calia Menethil is the most iffy one here as I generally dislike the idea of her as a “Holy Forsaken” anyway. But with the other two characters, she serves a purpose of showing those Forsaken who wish to be more than their undeath, that they can hold on to their hope and their past life while accepting their current life in undeath. If written the right way, she can also be a voice for making up for sins of the past (considering the legacy of his name), something I imagine many Forsaken would like to do. But I feel like renouncing her claims to the throne would be important in establishing the legitimacy of this triumvirate.
- Alonsus Faol makes it here because he’s a proper Scourged raised, Forsaken freed undead and thus knows that very important aspect to their initial suffering and their lives. More importantly, though, he’s a Disc Priest, as well, so a balance between the other two’s Shadow and Light. Finally and most importantly: he actually uses the freakin’ Forsaken model instead of just being a human with a skin condition.
Lillian Voss meanwhile basically just becomes their voice, representative, or weapon when needed - thus reducing the need to have them all involved in any particular cutscene or quest. Give her a fancy title like Grand Executor or whatever to reflect the job, done.
Last but not least, just say in background lore that the Desolate Council reformed and carries out more legislative stuff for the triumvirate. Thus keeping a neat idea still active in the lore, even if we never really see it - kinda like the Ironforge Senate and such. It’s just good worldbuilding.
Feel free to leave criticism.
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You cursed it by calling it the triumvirate.
First, Alonsus Faol will be left behind and it will be mostly split between Calia and Natalie.
Then, because Calia is a Menathil, she is going to fall in love with someone who is considered foreign by the Forsaken and that someone might be using Calia because of her influence.
In the end, Natalie has to go to war against Calia and will win. Making Seline defacto ruler.
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It was the big moment that turned Sarestha from fanatical loyalist into betrayed rebel, so it’s been great for rp. But yeah there’s been a lot of changes to the Forsaken and not a lot of resolutions
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A Proudmoore who has positive ties with his family doesn’t seem like it’ll fit with the Forsaken well at all. If they want to make it work in a way that makes sense they’ll have to do something to fix that. Have some event that makes him have to choose between his family and his new people, or something.
Or just leave him with the Alliance. That’d work. I really don’t want them to shoehorn Alliance characters into the Horde.
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Idk I find the “family split across faction lines” theme to be really fun, myself. One of my favourite rp plots has been when my hunter became a void elf but his wife remained a blood elf - rping the impact of that relationship torn apart by war was a lot of fun. They could do something similar with Derek honestly, and make it interesting.
For better or worse the Forsaken are largely humans. All of them are former Alliance at least in a theoretical sense. Alliance characters in their backstory is a foregone conclusion - Nathanos was an Alliance hero for goodness sake. I think the clincher is them choosing the Forsaken OVER their Alliance ties.
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Yeah it’s weird because we all know that Voss is a placeholder. So it just feels like the substitute teacher is leading the class. No one listens to the substitute teacher
The Forsaken have no good (Meaning fleshed out and prominent characters) Anymore that could really “Lead” the faction with any story significance. By that I mean, the most popular names being thrown out by those who could lead the Forsaken never really had anything to do with them or , in Lillian’s case, wanted anything to do with them.
- Derek Poudmoore, just for example, Only came to be in this expansion, a patch or two actually, and has no real interactions with Forsaken society as a whole.
- Calia is even worse in that respect as she has not existed on Screen at all outside of one interact in the Priest order hall.
- Lillian, as I said, did not want anything to do with the Forsaken at all since her inception back in Cataclysm. Her story was just a personal one of vengeance against the Scarlet Crusade and her unwanted life of Undeath. Then suddenly in BFA she just pulls a 180. Out of the three popular people, she has the most interaction and connection with the Forsaken player and Forsaken society. But for four expansions, she was shown as not wanting to be a ‘Forsaken’. So suddenly having her be a leader would be… an abrupt change.
Any other Forsaken Characters that could lead have not been touched on outside of their questing Revamp in cataclysm. Hercular could be a choice for a leader, simply because during the Pre-Legion invasion, he was the commander for Hillsbrad Foothills. Besides him? Well not one has been developed enough, its just been Sylvanas and Nathanos in the spotlight for a while now. (Also personally I think the racial leaders should at least -somewhat- look like the player race. Not simply Humans with a gray skintone and glowing eyes.)
Anyway. I think Forsaken RP as a whole will be more quiet and aloof than usual. People really won’t know how to deal with the story until there is more of a story? The characters are pretty much like their players right now, waiting and wondering to see where the future will take them.
My Forsaken character was loyal to the Forsaken, not Sylvanas. He respected her and called her his Queen, of course, but always tried to see how certain orders and events would affect the Forsaken as a whole. Now with so much gone and destroyed, he would try to find ways to help his undead brothers and sisters in establishing a new foothold for themselves and living in ‘peace’ for a world that mostly wants them dead. Not “Death to the Living” but rather just, “Tolerate the Living and let us be in peace.”
I agree with the top half. Your bottom half is accurate for Forsaken RP 7 months ago. Currently it’s been better.
of guilds
R.A.S. still carry on strong with their works.
Lordaeron Unbound have many diverse RP happenings a couple of times a week.
Macabre Mask still commit their petty crimes unabated.
Night Lords have recreated a place for the sinister souls underneath a good facade to gather together.
of community
Undercity United is a discord RP network connecting Forsaken to the guilds and other happenings.
Alter of the Maggots is a Forsaken centric series for the deaders
Lordaeron Reclamation Venture have been doing events since January.
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As to who the new Forsaken leader might be that Lillian has in mind, it’s probably either Derek Proudmoore or Captain Amalia Stone. Or you know, a council, since they’re all the rage these days.
I think Stone isn’t half bad. Sure, she doesn’t have enough build up or fleshed out as those above have said, but that’s the same for many of the characters. Stone was a captain so she knows how to lead and she has been training with Voss.
I think the problem with all of them is that they’re new and poorly fleshed out.
About the best we’ve got of those who HAVE been fleshed out is maybe Belmont. He’s at least made cameos in more than one expansion. XD
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Yeah, but his name wouldn’t work for the same reason mine wouldn’t, if my name was an npc.
We are taken straight from other sources. Sure, Blizzard has always made pop culture references and such in WoW, but atleast to my knowledge, every A list character has been an original name.
Calder Gray is the only clear choice. But Blizz would never.
I’m hoping Nathanos has a face-turn. He realizes Sylvanas is using him and is instrumental in her defeat.
I like the idea of a 2nd Desolate Council, and he’d be a good addition to it. Have Calia as Queen, with Nathanos, Voss, Helcular, and, I don’t know, maybe Aelthalyste as councilors. You could still keep it a monarchy that way, too.
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This only works so long as Nathanos dies horribly. He can’t come back.
Also that’d be hysterical.
“Knowingly joining you in committing genocide to condemn souls to Superhell was all fine and good, but now you go too far, Sylvanas.”
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I could get behind Stone. Voss I was kind of hoping for… but then the whole 'OwO Calia is gud" nonsense happened.
But Voss has also never truly ingrained herself into Forsaken politics/lifestyle…
What about best boy Belmont for one of the leaders of the new Desolate Council?
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It all returns to nothing~ it all comes tumbling down - tumbling down - tumbling down ~
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