Apparently so.
Which is a damn shame, shows how far Blizzard has lost the plot.
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When doing his conversion, you can see the Light’s golden glow, rapidly replace the Fel one, in Illidan’s tattoos.
There are several quests in the Warlock Order Hall involving Kira Iresoul as she experiments with an object called a “Bloodstone” that feeds on the blood and hearts of mortals and demons alike. The stone is capable of summoning and binding demons. Since this sounds very similar to what the Blood Trolls of Nazmir do, I would say this is Blood magic and not Fel magic.
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That’s what I meant, that interaction isn’t really a clear indicator of what would happen if a light user tried using fel or vice versa; its an interaction where a being who only accepts the light tries replacing Illidan’s fel with light.
Bloodstones are artifacts that have been used by Warlocks and other casters for quite some time.
They are an accessory or trinket that has served as catalyst, vessel or amplifier of the casters power.
On the ground I spied an amulet of bloodstone, used to assist in demonic summoning.
Several quests point at numerous possible origins, ranging from the Old Gods (given their similarities with Saronite), to Fel itself.
In all, my point is that they’ve never been considered a form of magic on themselves (unlike Blood Magic wielded by the likes of Death Knights). But an accessory for certain spells.
Kira used said bloodstone (as many other warlocks did with others before her) exactly in that way. It wasn’t the source of her power when she fought the Twins. even if it indeed served as the final blow to overpower them.
At best, Bloodstones are the equivalent of shaman totems: a tool to amplify the warlock powers that tap into other sources.
And that would still give them FAR more credit that I honestly think they deserve…
(A more realistic comparison would be a Paladin libram)
It’s hard to feel sorry for someone when their suffering is just getting a taste of their own medicine. And right or wrong there’s no “pretense”, so at least it’s sincere.
Poor writing of sweeping Mag’har crimes under the rug aside, the rest of AU Draenor wasn’t peaceful. The Ogres, Botani and Arrakoa didn’t lay down arms and sing “kumbaya” when the Iron Horde was defeated. Since everyone on AU Draenor was trying to kill or subjugate everyone else, looks more like Yrel and the Naaru saw that and went “hey, when in Rome…”
Depends on the toon of mine and the effects.
And there’s still other threats out there, like the Void, so the “dominance now that the Legion is gone” theory doesn’t work (plus AU Sargeras wasn’t imprisoned).
I’ve already said how I think it’d work, and a few people have come up with other feasible ideas, so what more can be said about Lightforged warlocks that hasn’t been said already?
Not just vengeance. The Draenei at this point have been shown two timelines, in which both times the Orcs drank demon blood and committed civilization-ending genocide against them. It’d be pretty fair to assume that the Orcs can’t be trusted and all peace is temporary up until a particularly manipulative demon comes along and fools them again. Whether or not this assumption is right, from their perspective, it is justified with the evidence they have on hand.
Now, what could the Draenei do with this assumption? That’s a more difficult question to answer, for sure.
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They all already make sense.
There is nothing saying or hinting that Lightforged can not physically become warlocks, and as long as that possibility is there, there is nothing stopping them.
People who choose to become warlocks do not care about social norms or about culture, they care about power and that is more than enough reason for any race to become warlocks.
The problem is that despite how they were “sold” as a feature, Lightforged aren’t really a race. They’re a martial religious order that includes multiple races. So a Lightforged person becoming a warlock would be less like, say, a night elf or tauren becoming a warlock and more like an Argent Crusader becoming a necromancer or a Cenarion druid using the power of the Nightmare. It’s antithetical to them maintaining that grouped association.
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The Argent Crusade do accept working with results of necromancy, afterall, they do not mind having undead as members, they will also work very closely with necromancers, so closely that the necromancers may as well become members themselves. In this case though, the Death Knights seemed to have a totally different mindset, where they pursue their own final deaths while also not wasting their given second (third) chance to do something good. I would say it is not the Argent Crusade excluding the necromancers, but the necromancers excluding themselves.
Druids and the nightmare. That is an entirely different thing, we have yet seen the nightmare be used by anyone for good. It is wholly corruptible. Void, Fel and Death magic we have had experienced being used for good. Just not the nightmare… not yet atleast.
The Argents are willing to cooperate with free-willed undead who’ve escaped the Scourge (namely Forsaken and Ebon Blade death knights), but it’s extremely unlikely that they’d be cool with letting someone remain a member of their organization if he set out to become a necromancer in order to create more undead servants.
In the same vein, the Lightforged are basically the Army of the Light. You don’t pass their trials and become Lightforged yourself by harboring a lust for power that leads one to burn other peoples’ souls as fuel for fel magic. By definition they’re an ideological group that specifically weeds out that sort of thing through their methods of recruitment.
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Considering that Illidan was basically a character who lusted for power much of his life, and Xe’ra was quite adamant about getting that man in the sack. I do not think it mattered too much for the Lightforged, as long as you would fight for their cause, which Illidan did regardless of his lust for personal power.
But Xe’ra was also the Army of the Light’s most fanatic voice, and they have ultimatively lost that. They have therefor also lost the one who would most likely object the loudest to members of the army choosing a fel-ridden path. It was only ever Xe’ra who voiced contempt for Alleria, as one example, the draenei themselves, as far as we know, only followed orders of Xe’ra.
Overall, both factions seems to not care so much about the individual’s reasons to seek them out, but more so about their end goal. The Argent Crusade would likely utilise necromancy to their advantage, it comes with more than just creating an army of undead, afterall, it can also control existing undead - which is quite beneficial when it comes to fighting undead. Warlocks in the same vein, can control demons, not just summon demons… and regardless, there is a matter of strategic advantage if you can beat one enemy with said enemy’s own “friend”.
Each group are ideological, but neither are extremely dogmatic. Xe’ra was the most dogmatic in the army of the light, blinded by the tunnel-visoned path of the light, and she is gone. Good riddance, stupid hovering chandelier.
Illidan was the special “chosen one,” so she was trying to make his conversion happen. That’s now how it’s otherwise done.
We’ve seen that becoming Lightforged isn’t some arbitrary thing. They don’t just grant it to anyone willing to pick up a weapon and shed blood under orders. There are trials of character and resolve that the adherents have to go through to receive it.
I just remembered the unlock yes, when we followed T’paartos.
And it just reaffirmed my position, the Lightforged Draenei would be the ultimate warlocks, and the ones who would care least about what anyone else thinks, even their own. The lightforged trials have you face your fears and overcome them, they sow total determination in you, and rids you of your doubts.
It is indeed a trial of will, but nothing in it suggests steering away from evil and fel. But we already knew that users of light are not necessarily good-natured, this has been the case since WC3 and followed up in vanilla World of Warcraft.
I still think that the most simple way to make sense of Lightforged Warlocks is to simply recolor all the warlocks spells from fel to light while summoning lightforged demon.
You have the class, it adds some uniqueness to a race and it doesn’t need a convulated story to justify them.
Everyone win.
Oh heck no, you better let all Warlocks use that, if the new guys get to!
If I could have Gold little crystals floating above my head and Gold spell effects and Gold Demons… it would really match my eyes.
Telling that the knee jerk reaction from most fans was “poor Mag’har, evil Light fanatics”… but taking a deeper look at the lore reveals the latter - at worst - had a legitimate grievance, and at best are the less bad of the two (or, if you want to be edgy… Yrel did nothing wrong).
Personally, I’ve said my peace about Lightforged warlocks. If we’re going to run with it, it’s going to strain credulity.
I’d just disallow it
The shoddy writing of Illidan and Xe’ra was about a special case so it’s not applicable to the majority.
What’s point of Lightforging if it doesn’t lock you out of using other powers besides arcane? If Lightforged can still use fel magic and become warlocks, that means Illidan could’ve still drawn on Fel if Xe’ra had successfully Lightforged him. He would’ve still been a demon hunter.
And the fact that Lightforged can still draw on arcane magic, and the fact that Xe’ra allowed them to do this, shows it’s not tunnel vision as some claim. It shows that claim is wrong.
Honestly, I could see a LFD being arrogant enough to believe their Lightforging protects them from the corrupting effects of Fel and naively delving into Demonology to learn ways of capturing demons.
Like a Radical Inquisitor from WH40K who starts with good intentions of serving the Emperor and ends up becoming a borderline Heretic.