She ignored his NO. She was trying to force a process that he repeatedly said he did not want nor bargained for. That’s all the justification needed. It’s the same justification that Picard uses in mowing down Borg with a Tommy Gun.
Xe’ra endorsed Illidan’s acts.
So I am not so sure about that.
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Aren’t you one of Illidan’s fanclub? So it’s not okay to endorse his actions but it’s okay for him to do them?
I remember not really endorsing Illidan’s actions, and Xe’ra endorsing them and trying to grab moral highground while lecturing us, being just one of her various, annoying traits… other than simply being a hovering chandelier.
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Xe’ra and Illidan are both terrible individuals. Just for entirely different reasons. And that’s fine. You can have two shady characters think they’re the good guys in their own mind
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Instead of complain about Xe’ra’s bad writing making us go after a villain who has only caused harm and we killed him in the past, complain about the villain being obligated to something.
I’d reply to this if I could parse it.
It appears one more poster mistakes Xera for their IRL mother, or worse, an invisible friend. So they vomit word salad:
“Complain Xera bad villain harm killed complain obligated to the something!!! And you know it!!”
I guess I do.
That’s fair. I think I might’ve got you mixed up with someone else on the forums who did that.
I’d still say one’s less bad than the other, and Illidan isn’t the less bad. I think adding Lightforged warlocks to the lore just undermines Illidan’s objection to being Lightforged. He’d still be a Demon Hunter slinging fel, just a Lightforged Demon Hunter slinging fel. I also wonder if this story beat with Lightforged warlocks could affect Lothraxion’s story arc.
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It doesn’t, because only Illidan himself objected. A LF draenei turning to warlock magics wouldn’t undermine the personal choice that Illidan himself made.
I still do not think Illidan’s big gripe was the power that the light could provide, it is more so that Xe’ra ended up selling it as a means to control him for HER purpose.
Xe’ra : Let go of your shattered form and embrace the light’s power.
Xe’ra: The prophecy… must be fulfilled.
Illidan attempts to retreat, but the light energies swiftly bind him. He is brought closer to Xe’ra while struggling to free himself.
Xe’ra: Your old life has passed. The Light will forge you a new one.
Illidan Stormrage: It is not yours to take!
Xe’ra: The Light is your destiny.
Illidan Stormrage: My destiny is my own!
Illidan have basically lost faith in other beings. And at the end of the day, I choose to believe that Xe’ra was no good, based on the Lightbound who was equally lead to believe, by a naaru too, that the light is the only saviour.
It is a clash of thoughts. Illidan having grown to believe that only you and your own power can save yourself.
Whereas Xe’ra saw the light as the only path to salvation.
Xe’ra was proven wrong in the end, and the direction of the story hints that she will be proven wrong all the way to the very end of the Warcraft franchise.
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It would if Illidan’s objection to being Lightforged was because he’d have to give up his fel magic. But the cinematic didn’t make his reasoning clear, all his dialogue there was cringe angsty one-liners.
Illidan’s dialogue is just edgelord one-liners (thank you for leaving the cringier parts of that cinematic out), it didn’t make his reasoning clear. She wasn’t wrong about his form being “shattered” (his feet being replaced with hooves and burned out eyes aren’t healthy or painless changes). Plus the writers wouldn’t allow Xe’ra to say the obvious; for example, Illidan says he wants to end the Burning Legion, which is what Xe’ra also wants him to do - it’s literally the crux of her prophecy. Eg;
Illidan: “The Legion’s end is all I seek…”
Xe’ra: “And that’s exactly what my prophecy says you’ll do, and why I travelled all this way to find you. Our goals are the same.”
Seriously, I hope whatever retcons they use to push Lightforged warlocks are better written than that cinematic cringe.
Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. The lore was retconned before, it could also be retconned to make the Light the path to ultimate salvation in WoW.
Xe’ra: And despite us sharing the same goals, let me just forcefully make you submit to the light, because that is OBVIOUSLY what should happen… according to the light… that only sees one path as true… not at all fanatical tunnel visioning.
Xe’ra deemed Illidan submitting to the light as the one path to defeat the Legion.
Well, we defeated the Legion without both Xe’ra and without Illidan being lightforged.
So on that account, she was quite wrong.
And the whole thing with the light being a fanatic tunnel-visioning force is pushed quite hard.
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Following one path isn’t fanaticism. By that logic, every druid, mage and warlock are all fanatics too. Is Furion a fanatic for worshipping only the Wild Gods and Elune?
And yet she was still right about Illidan ending the age of demons, even if he didn’t get Lightforged.
Interestingly, Illidan had no “rebuttal” when Xe’ra said “…you’ve given so much, for so little in return.” And if Xe’ra had said she’d turn him into a from Tyrande wants to bang, he’d have grabbed her and demanded Lightforging.
Besides, getting jacked up on Fel has harmful side-effects unlike Lightforging (Fel causes loss of feet, sterility, spikes coming out of the skin, soul becoming a demon soul, uncontrollable urges to dominate and destroy… Fel magic is not for everyone, consult your physician before use).
Mages and warlocks don’t follow their respective magic sources as their beliefs, so they’re not equivalent. Them being limited to arcane and fel magic is more of a gameplay limitation than anything else.
I’ve seen enough warlocks worship demons and/or Sargeras to say otherwise. Not so much mages, who even Xe’ra allowed among the Army of the Light, like Ymera. Though I think there are a few Titan-worshipping mages.
And my point about druids still stands.
Mh, and there is the crux of the light.
It wants you to submit to it completely.
It showed the path to Xe’ra a light being, showing Illidan having to be lightforged.
Thanks for confirming the fanatical part.
I too tend not to respond to pieces of text that I find redundant. This is what I call redundant, whereas I find Illidan’s objections to Xe’ra as being important though you consider them just edgy one-liners.
So far we have only been shown that for these to happen it takes a healthy dose of fel. Such things only happened to the man’ari (Literally transformed by fel-god Sargeras himself), Demon Hunters (Ate demonic flesh), Fel orcs and Felblood Elves (Drank demon blood).
Orcs and Blood Elves have otherwise shown minor effects when just exposed to nearby warlocks casting fel. Skin turns green and otherwise blue eyeglow turns green eyeglow.
The real tyranny of the light - forcing everybody to have feet.
… how dare you?
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