You don’t think that is powerful though? I found it amazing that he was the one to finally admit that all that “honor” and chest pounding was false? That takes alot of courage to admit that you were wrong and to stand against the wave to right something you know is wrong. That’s honorable to me. Whether anyone admits it or not, the Horde was built on blood and pillaging, it feels nice to see someone finally recognize it and want to to change it for the better. I also don’t like how he needed to go to Anduin and the alliance to do something about it and put himself in jail… like that was a little silly.
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Not the Horde that was created in WC3, with Tauren and Trolls. It was brotherhood, union made so they could survive, they all believed that it was truly start to something great.
And secondly Horde doesn’t have to share values with Alliance, they can have completely different interpretation of it.
So I consider him to be in the wrong.
Was that before or after the genocide that the Draenei experienced? Knowing you’re wrong and doing the right thing isn’t something that is exclusive to the alliance? It’s something NEW to the Horde lol but it’s not limited to just one faction.
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But Tauren or trolls didn’t commit it on draenei.
And orcish situation on Draenor was much more complicated than that.
And then they went on with Theramore and now Teldrassil, so it doesn’t matter whether it was “WC3” era or not, because that “Wc3” era still committed these atrocities. They are the exact same and it’s great that you have a character to call it out.
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Funny, when I was arguing the same thing with Amani Etheldad said to me that current Alliance shouldn’t be blamed for applying exact same method as Horde did with Theramore.
People often forget that Tharamore was on open war with Horde for 2 years, it was assaulting Mulgore, Valley of Trials and were about to assault Sen’Jin village. These are homes for 3 playable races which were targeted by “neutral Theramore” andforcing Horde to fight on two fronts.
It was bound to happen that it would be counter attacked. The difference was that this time it was Horde who used the nuke, not the Alliance.
With BfA, there is no point in arguing it, what was done can’t be undone and there is indeed no way to defend it. But it was still years after the WC3 Horde was established and this is exactly why those events broke the Horde community so badly. Nobody wanted this.
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I know, you have told me this already, but that still doesn’t make it any better how they presented and handled Tyrande after her power up. This just ruined the whole questline for me and many others, probably for you too (correct me if I’m wrong).
Not to mention that this was the entire revenge plotline 
We do, but Bolvar is realistically not even comparable with Tyrande, atleast if we assume that a goddess is not completely worthless. Bolvar isn’t really a very powerful character.
horde players seem to forget that war was started by the horde.
it is true that it wasn’t neutral,jaina was alliance and as such she had to help her allyes. but you cannot deny that jaina did the best she could to try go get to peace between the two factions that is why theramore is so infurating and we weren’t allowed to have revenge for any of it.
and like, they literally captured the civillians and tortured them for fun.
So why the horde can “counter attack” but not the alliance?
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Will we ever have revenge for anything?
Theramore - No revenge
Gilneas - No revenge
Ashenvale in cataclysm - No revenge
The entire war of thorns and Teldrassil - No revenge and instantly forgiven… and this one was far far worse than the other ones
I don’t know why I even bother anymore… maybe it was lines like “There will be justice one day” in Elegy that made me hope that anything will come out of it, but turns out it was just stupid of me and I should have never gotten my hopes up…
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because we may hurt the horde too much and will be as bad as them, apprently.
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Actually Varian declared a war back in Wotlk. And Garrosh escalated it, but the resoning was backed with lack of means for Horde to support themselves by living on wastelands.
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Funnily enough, we can’t even get revenge against Sylvanas or Nathanos even though they aren’t in the Horde anymore… it’s just so infuriating.
Yes i remember, varian wanted to attack and the worst possible time when they were dealing with arthas.
but in reality his stupid declaration of war costed the alliance a lot later and most importantly, one of his biggest allyes who have been helping him since always.
But what consequences did varian payed for it? nothing.
is like a regular wrynn problem…
while jaina payed for being too pacifist, and that maybe she should have let daelin win. is like… all a big tragedy and leaving us, ally players extremely angry for not being allowed to strike back.
“because the horde lost too much already” 
What would you have had Varian do? Allow the Horde to attack them again?
Best course of action was to disable the Horde and then take on Arthas.
Its not smart fighting two enemies as once.
The Horde actually did. And after Jaina and Thrall convinced Varian to make another ceasefire because it was all a “misunderstanding”.
eh… the horde at that point didn’t really attacked the alliance.
so, being attacked again? not sure what you are even talking about.
it would be extremely reckless fight a war vs the horde when they were focused on arthas who btw was pretty strong.
It definitely hampered things, yes, as I complained about during the PTR testing:
Blizzard’s solution?
They simply changed the scenario stage description to:
- Stage 11: The Queen’s Pawn
Confront Nathanos
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Incorrect. This was established in the novel The Shattering: Prelude to Cataclysm:
- Garrosh referred to a treaty between the Horde and the Alliance, signed shortly after the fall of the Lich King. Both factions had been sorely damaged by the long battle, and both sides had agreed to a cessation of hostilities, including the struggles at Alterac Valley, Arathi Basin, and Warsong Gulch
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I hate how everyone here assumes all characters have omnipotent knowledge.
Horde Forsaken attacked.
Thats all the character needs to know to take action.
Even if Thrall begins to tell Varian it wasnt them Varian has no basis to trust Thrall.
Afterall he could be lying.
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he could not trust thrall but he could trust jaina who has been there for him always.
She had no first hand knowledge.
The question is whether he would trust her judgment and choose to follow it.
This is what makes good character narrative. They behave according to what the author has had them experience and take decisions based on their characteristics and what they know.
Varian has history with the Horde. He does not trust them and his forces were just attacked by the Horde. So he had two choices wait to be attacked again or seize the opportunity and end the smaller threat before tackling the bigger one.
What Varian did is wholly logical and strategic, not attacking, sitting on his hands and waiting for more information or a decision to be forced upon him is not something Varian would do but what Andiun would do.
So Varian did what he does best. He acted.