You want to help prevent Blizzard from making decisions that would ruin Classic . . . by suggesting changes that would ruin Classic?
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Step 1: Don’t.
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You see this is an important point that has been drummed loud and clear but you can not seem to hear: changes you think are innocuous, very many here think are poison.
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Their road map for right now is to make Vanilla what is and was in every aspect. They want those people that play on private servers to know they have a home and that it will be just like playing on a private server. They want those players and if players have a secure home of it never being shut down then its more incentive for those players to come and officially stay where no one can take away their character be it from Hackers or Blizzard themselves. They will have the support of getting back anything compromised and so much more. The right way to do things now in my opinion is make sure the game we all fell in love with is just like it was back in early 2000s. This will ensure people will definitely come if there are as little changes as possible. That will go a long way for all those petition signers.
After the game releases we can all, in a much bigger audience, claim what we do and dont want in wow classic. We just gotta make sure the game it self is 99% to what it use to be. Putting anything new will deter new players from only playing on private servers. They will see its not what they are use to seeing and leave before even giving it a chance. Blizzard has to gain the trust of those players playing on private servers. If they don’t get that then it will be a lost cause. It is crucial to have Classic exactly like it was from the very beginning.
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I respect that, and I understand where you’re coming from, I really do, and I want you to also understand that I’m in full support of the idea of Classic+. I want that to be clear. Old School Runescape is a perfect example of one of my favorite games, and I am never, not once at all against it. I just want Classic and Classic+ to be separate. That’s what I’m trying to advocate for. Transmog in Classic+ can be an idea that can be revisited.
I think this is fair, at the same time, I think that we should differentiate Classic and Classic+ in my opinion.
I respect your reasoning, and again, I think there should be a clear distinction between the two to help clarify this. Making Classic more rigid and Classic+ more free-form.
Sure id be open to classic+ but not at the expense of the game not even released yet. I cant its just not in me.
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Classic first, then release Classic+ after a few months.
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I feel exactly the same way
No, you don’t get it, or you are being purposefully obtuse. Either way, I’m done feeding you.
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World of Warcraft Classic is a faithful recreation of the original World of Warcraft—it runs a bit smoother on today’s computers, but the game still looks and feels like you’re playing World of Warcraft from 2006. Combat mechanics, original character models and skill trees all contribute to a truly authentic experience, as do your interactions with other players. Your reliance on others to take on the world was at the heart of the original WoW and is at the heart of World of Warcraft Classic.
How is it not clear what parameters are acceptable for suggestions?
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What are you not getting that EVERY PLAYER IS ALLOWED TO SUGGEST ANYTHING THEY WANT to be added to the game. And until BLizzard comes into this thread and says otherwise, ENOUGH!
If you feel those who disagree with you aren’t listening to you or will never see your point, It’s OK to leave. There is no “winning” or “losing” and as long as you’ve made a single post, people will know your stance on the issue.
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That’s a good take, and I agree. It’s not good to wait until it’s too late to voice what we want Blizzard to do next, but also too early to start rattling people who are coming over from the PS. I definitely want to see the PS people come back to the community.
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And this may be a minority opinion, but that’s okay. Let classic die in 3-4 years. No video game lasts forever. If classic exists as close as realistically possible to vanilla for 2-3 years and then dies because people are ready for something else, awesome! I got to play my favorite video game again for several YEARS! Blizzard ups their revinue for a few years with something that took minimal dev resources (relative to a new title) and almost no maintenance? Awesome for them too! Wins all around!
A lot of people are ready for a new experience. I’d be open to a new blizzard MMORPG. I think the potential is there for them to do some really cool things with their IP. but that isn’t what the point of wow classic is. And that’s not my opinion, that’s blizzards publicly stated goals and mission, to create an authentic recreation of the game.
Whether people like it or not, this isn’t the next new MMORPG to sink a decade into. And to be honest, it shouldn’t be. Gaming has come a long long was in 15 years, and there are a lot of things a brand new MMORPG could have that classic just can’t. And that’s okay. Let classic be classic, and let’s talk about what else is possible somewhere else.
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Completely on board with this. Classic WoW isn’t aiming to appeal to large audiences or to be for everyone.
That said, Project 1999 with EverQuest has proven that for nearly 10 years a rigidly authentic classic experience has long-term staying power.
For the large market share and being “the MMORPG targeted at everyone”, there’s BFA. For the niche market wanting genuinely and rigidly authentic Classic, blemishes and all, there’s Classic WoW. Can’t wait.
As many have said, I would be on board with making something akin to Daybreak Games’ “Time Locked Progression Servers” for EverQuest. A hybrid of modern perks/graphics/mechanics with a guided tour through classic content with classic abilities/etc. It’d fill another niche market, but should not affect Classic WoW servers and be its own potential project that Blizzard considers.
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Yeah, With all those people that are playing currently I know one of the most popular vanilla private servers is shutting down once Classic is released. We need to make sure their home is just as they remember it and Blizzard will definitely will profit from it. Not to mention those very people who haven’t played wow since vanilla can also play retail and may see your point for adding additional things to classic+ and so forth. Your thoughts on certain things have been expressed and your free to keep doing that. I’m just trying to shine a light on those who have yet to play on official servers and who may have reluctance of it being the same. I hope Blizzard shows them that it is the same.
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Absolutely. I want to stress this as well. This is the most important aspect of Classic+.
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I highly recommend the book The Art of Game Design: A Book of Lenses on why a lot of the things you are advocating for are antithetical to excellent game design- which in essence, is what this forum should be about.
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I’m just not sure if I believe Blizzard will ever make another MMO. They’ve watched lots of companies try and fail to build something better than WoW. It would be a huge investment of resources into a product that will be competing with their existing product where people have over a decade of stuff collected and paid for.
That’s why I’ve made the decision that I’m never going to play retail again after Classic. Unless something fundamentally changes about retail, which is unlikely to happen because people would leave if Blizzard took LFR, LFG, class balance out of the game, I"m not going to play a game I don’t really enjoy any more.
I’ve read that book. A professor in college was building an isomorphic turn based game in Java with his students that I helped with, and he told me to buy it. I think it’s a good book, and I would love to talk more about what should go in the game based on what constitutes good game design.
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